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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Here's a question, Donald: how many union organizing elections have you been involved in? What is your personal knowledge?
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Gal
Trad climber
a semi lucid consciousness
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Heheh, Lolli ...that's funny ;-)
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Mr. Apogee:
I extend to you the same offer I did to Mr Norton. Would you like to dip into the ST archives and reprise some of comments and photos involving Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin that you and your compatriots posted not so long ago?
Juxtapose them next to Rush's comments for comparison.
I don't agree with the kind of thing that you are talking about. It is unseemly for intelligent people to participate in the sort of character assasination you describe.
HOWEVER, there is a difference.
The stuff you talk about is directed very specifically at an individual person. Rush was attacking a behavior, which appears to be broadly applicable to a large percentage of women in the US.
As such, it shows a disrepect and distain for all women, who if they have ever participated in sex outside of marriage, are defined as "sluts"....apparently as in contrast to men.
Well, that typifies a rather large segment of the US population..but not men.
This harkens back to this sort of distinction that women have had to bear for a long time, and they don't like it. I find it disgusting to see and to hear.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Truth be known, politics will virtually always follow the power and the money. The ultra right wing back a buffoon like Rush because he holds out the slim hope of increasing their hold on a little power and a lot of money. Take the promise of political and financial gain out of the equation and Rush is left alone to once more get whacked on Oxy and to flag down questionable sexual encounters in the Domincan Republic. The idea that Rush is the champion of some viable moral code or set of true values is one of the most demonstrably preposterous claims in current politics. He's a whack job and a zealot.
Let him go. Move on.
JL
John, I don't agree. Note that the Repub contenders ONLY disavow his exact language, they do NOT disavow his meaning.
Note that Santorum (pardon me, Dr. Santorum) then goes on to state that BC Pills are bad things for women.
It is important to point out what these guys actually stand for, when they are so intemperate as to say it.
Catholic teaching is that ANY artificial birth control is a sin, and they are dedicated to opposing it. This is not in dispute.
These guys believe that they should run the country from the standpoint of what their religion says they should do. This is not in dispute.
So it is not a bad idea to understand exactly what they will do, when they enact their religious Sharia-law type of gov't.
We saw this week in Va, and people should take note. Repubs passed a law that requires a medical procedure to be done that is not medically indicated, before standard legal treatment of a condition may be done.
Will the next thing be to require sterilization, before allowing medical treatment of "undesirables?" We've been there before, and remember that was back in what Repubs think of as "the good old days."
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Because socialism is bad, maybe.
It's just an opinion but there is no reliable evidence that socialism is better than any other economic system. Except maybe for the dirt poor who reap the benefits of other people paying their way. But for the society as a whole, the jury is still out on whether socialism, capitalism, communism, or any other economic system, is any better than any other.
If we knew what was best, we wouldn't dick around with all of these 4 and 8 year experiments that keep producing mediocre results. As soon as we have some success for a few years or even a few decades, we find that there was a flaw in the system that was hidden until it got bad enough to screw up everything. Sometimes the flaw is political where we all make money and eat well but then piss off someone enough to make them blow something up. Sometimes we see incredible growth that makes everyone happy until we discover that the growth was because of huge financial risks that ends up failing.
I don't feel like spending my middle age years watching politicians experiment with my future. I'd rather not retire in a box because we went socialist and it didn't work out. But then again, the experiment in giving home loans to under-qualified buyers didn't work and that screwed me too. Plus, blatant capitalism that screws the poor and forces people to work for low benefits without healthcare is what made this country as powerful as it is today. So, hell if I know what will work. I just fear change.
Dave
Dave, we are NOT talking, here, about a wholesale change in our economic system, to a socialistic one.
And we are not really talking about an experiment that has no anticedents.
First, lets look at some ACTUAL socialistic systems in our country: Fire, Police, Defense, Utilities, Highways.
Explain to me how those are failed systems? They involve systems RUN AND OWNED by the gov't.
The healthcare reform does not do that. It uses the free enterprise system to accomplish it's goals. In the delivery of healthcare, no one will be a new gov't employee.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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The United States military is also pure socialism.
Surely everyone agrees our military is not a failed system, it protects our asses.
And we gladly fund it to its very fullest, in fact we keep on increasing its budget
The military produces zero "tangible" revenue, yet costs $700 billion dollars a year from taxpayers.
Virtually everyone agrees that there is tremendous waste of money in our military.
Our military was created by and is funded 100% by our government.
Our military is very much "run" by our government, right from the structured chain or command to strong congressional oversight of all of its goals and implementation.
Our government "owns the means of production" of our military, which is the accepted definition of socialism.
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philo
Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
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Mar 10, 2012 - 06:55am PT
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SOCIALISM
If it's ood enough for my military
it's good enough for my health care
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new world order-
climber
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Mar 10, 2012 - 09:06am PT
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"The US is sleepwalking into becoming a police state, where, like a pre-Magna Carta monarch, the president can lock up anyone
"And with a new bill now being introduced to make it a crime to protest in a way that disrupts any government process – or to get close to anyone with secret service protection – the push to legally lock down the United Police States is in full force."
Well, well. Looks like at least one person here is waking up to what is the new world order.
Police forces throughout the country are being militarized. Not long until TSA checkpoints will be set up on highways.
Because we're all terrorists. Have you noticed the military at public events? We're being trained to see it as normal.
And it doesn't matter which clown, which pawn is in office. First will come socialism, followed closely thereafter by communism.
1984 is today. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5464625623984168940#
Bah-ah-ah-ah... http://www.infowars.com/
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 10, 2012 - 11:32am PT
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Is the cowardly Limbaugh like a more polished version of Hitler , bullying women by calling them sluts on national radio while advocating denial of health care procedures , the beginning of a facist movement similar to the rounding up of jews in nazi germany...?
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Mar 10, 2012 - 09:46pm PT
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Mar 10, 2012 - 10:32pm PT
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All of us are born with the unalienable right to life, liberty, and a lifetime supply of premium ribbed silky-smooth ultrasensitive spermicidal lubricant condoms. No taxation without rubberization, as the Minutemen said. The shot heard round the world, and all that.
When even casual sex requires a state welfare program, you’re pretty much done for.
No, the most basic issue here is not religious morality, individual liberty, or fiscal responsibility. It’s that a society in which middle-aged children of privilege testify before the most powerful figures in the land to demand state-enforced funding for their sex lives at a time when their government owes more money than anyone has ever owed in the history of the planet is quite simply nuts. As stark staring nuts as the court of Ranavalona, the deranged nymphomaniac queen of Madagascar at whose funeral the powder keg literally went up, killing dozens and burning down three royal palaces. Indeed, one is tempted to arrange an introduction between “T Squalls, 30,” now 32 going on 33, and Sandra Fluke, 30 going on 31, like a skillfully negotiated betrothal between two royal houses in medieval Europe. The student prince would bring to the marriage his impressive fortune of a decade’s worth of Trojan Magnums, while the Princess Leia would have a dowry of index-linked RU 486s settled upon her by HHS the Margravine of Sebelius. They would not be required to produce an heir.
Insane as this scenario is, the Democrat-media complex insists that everyone take it seriously
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/293094/fluke-charade-mark-steyn?pg=1
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Mar 10, 2012 - 11:26pm PT
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This is pure silliness
The insurance companies WANT to cover birth control and it's not coming out of government money. The only issue is do employers have a right to dictate their morals in the insurance they offer to employees (where they are otherwise prohibited from religion based discrimination)
If so, how far does that go. What if your employer prohibited any coverage for pain medicine (it's just so you feel better right?) any meds containing alcohol (some are against that drug even though Jesus made it in his first miracle) organ or tissue transplants of any kind (ain't natural) and on and on
Peace
Karl
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BooYah
Social climber
Ely, Nv
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Mar 10, 2012 - 11:39pm PT
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I'm against organ & tissue transplants. That sh#t ain't Natural.
It wouldn't EVER happen unless WE did it. MEHHHHHH! (1st buzzer)
Count me "oot". If yer organs are done, then yer done.
Dumbass. Ya Should of took care of 'em. No second shots.
Yes, if mine run their course, I will of course, DIE. That's how it goes.
Whatever.
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Mar 11, 2012 - 12:26am PT
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500!
Which is maybe a good post to use to look at Mr. Limbaugh's view of the health care system. The only time I have ever heard him, he said that the real problem with health care in the US was that it was overwhelmed -- and put into financial trouble -- by having to treat injuries sustained by extreme athletes.
He singled out rock climbers as tremendous abusers of the system.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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Topic Author's Reply - Mar 13, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
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BWA HA HA hahahaaa! Just when you thought it was dead, Commander Buttnugget "rears" his head!
Rush Limbaugh chided the National Organization for Women and its president, Terry O'Neill, on his syndicated radio show on Tuesday, over comments she made at the group's convention in New Orleans.
"All of this outrage that they have been spewing for a week—how horrible it's been, how uncouth," Limbaugh said. "Just listen to her describe it."
Limbaugh, whose show has lost dozens of advertisers in the fallout over his comments about Georgetown University law student Sandra Fluke, then played a clip from O'Neill's speech on Saturday at the NOW convention.
"Right now it really seems like we've got this godsend named Rush Limbaugh who has dropped this thing in our lap," O'Neill said. "Which is just wonderful. But the road ahead is really not gonna be completely rosy. We've got to be very clear on what the challenges are, and very clear about how we can move our own agenda forward in the current political climate."
Earlier this month, NOW called on Clear Channel to pull the plug on Limbaugh's show in the wake of his derogatory comments about Fluke.
"I thought they were outraged," Limbaugh said. "I thought they were offended. I thought it was the worst thing they ever heard anybody say. [Now] it's 'wonderful.' What a political opportunity."
Limbaugh, who referred to NOW members as "Nags," continued: "A godsend! The Nags called me a godsend. So not only am I God's gift to Obama, I'm God's gift to women."
He also used the results of Monday's CBS/New York Times poll, which found 80 percent of those polled are not better off than they were in 2008, to frame his views on financial support for contraception.
"What the women of America want is jobs," Limbaugh said. "They want an expanding economy, so we don't have to beg the government for their birth control pills."
Fluke appeared on CNN Tuesday in an attempt to refocus the debate away from the controversy surrounding Limbaugh's comments about her testimony and back to the birth control issue.
"It's unfortunate that some folks have made it so much about me and my access, because that was not what my testimony was about," Fluke said. "I would encourage people to take a look at that testimony."
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Mar 13, 2012 - 06:53pm PT
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Fluke's unblinking thousand yard stare is creepy. She's been taking something more powerful than birth control pills.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 13, 2012 - 07:52pm PT
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corniss chopper,
you're really an ugly little creep, aren't you? God forbid concentrating on the issue, when you can spread some nasty lies about the woman instead. Locker room mentality. Where the brightest brains are collected...
You never scored any girls, did you? The ugliness smells of bitter envy. The loser's futile and petty wailing.
Yes, I'm in a bad mood and you can have it. You deserve it. Be polite and share it with Donald Thompson and bookworm. Especially bookworm.
Hey Lolli, so raunchy stuff against men or conservative women is cool? Just curious? Is it only liberal women who get the free pass?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Mar 13, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
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Why are we talking about Fluke, I respect her knowledge of the issue, and the right wingers have completely gone of the deep end over this topic.
Obviously you have No idea what she actually said, and was talking about.
She said she needed $3000 to pay for 3 years of birth control and suggested since she couldn't afford it, the taxpayer should fund it. Did I miss something?
And Obama pushed the burden to the insurance companies. Same thing.
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