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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:09pm PT
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MH, OWS vancouver will go over really well if there is free beer....that corporate giant of molson may contribute.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:13pm PT
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Well the Gov. should put them to work
paying them tax payers money
Since the Job Creators aren't hiring
You will have to vote for Obama's Jobs Program
so they can feed themselves
Obama's jobs program is pathetic. Are you really naive enough to think it will create jobs?
You just don't get it. Government jobs are not created in a vacuum. You have to look at the costs to the private sector - that is why these stupid, ill advised jobs programs always create higher overall unemployment in the long run. Look at the previous $600 Billion stimulus - Government can count some pathetic number of jobs (I heard that dimwit Nancy Pelosi claim 1 Million), but why did we LOSE jobs overall?
Creating jobs is not hard. But to lower unemployment is different - you have to create jobs that add value. This is hard even for the private sector (esp. with unions, taxes and regulations) but nearly impossible for Government.
The most absurd thing about the "Jobs" package though is the way it was sold to the public. It pays for itself! We won't add to the deficit because the money we make in the future will pay for the costs in the present! Are you f'ing serious? How stupid does Obama think the public is?
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:17pm PT
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Ok, screw the jobs program. How about we look at the fact that the government can currently borrow money long term at historically low rates and we spend a trillion dollars or so fixing our country's infrastructure. Highways (maybe beef up mass transit a bit), bridges, sewers, education, the electrical transmission grid is in bad shape and needs a few hundred billion, etc.
Of course, unemployment will stay over 9% because a democrat in the whitehouse can't create jobs by spending money, but at leat maybe our country's infrastructure can keep up with China's...
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:27pm PT
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Ok, screw the jobs program. How about we look at the fact that the government can currently borrow money long term at historically low rates and we spend a trillion dollars or so fixing our country's infrastructure. Highways (maybe beef up mass transit a bit), bridges, sewers, education, the electrical transmission grid is in bad shape and needs a few hundred billion, etc.
Of course, unemployment will stay over 9% because a democrat in the whitehouse can't create jobs by spending money, but at leat maybe our country's infrastructure can keep up with China's...
august, you confuse me. i agree with the whole infrastructure thing...but wouldnt the government spending money on infrastructure create jobs? isnt that what you say in your first paragraph?
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bluering
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Santa Clara, CA
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
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How about we look at the fact that the government can currently borrow money long term at historically low rates and we spend a trillion dollars or so fixing our country's infrastructure. Highways (maybe beef up mass transit a bit), bridges, sewers, education, the electrical transmission grid is in bad shape and needs a few hundred billion, etc.
You mean those 'shovel ready jobs' that we spent 800 billion on? How did that work out again?
And those pie-in-the-sky Green jobs? They're going out of business with nothing to show for.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:33pm PT
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...but wouldnt the government spending money on infrastructure create jobs
No man, those bridges and highways design and build themselves. Rise of the machines and all that.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:35pm PT
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Elcap,
thanks for explaining. for a second there i thought august was contradicting himself.
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CrackAddict
Trad climber
Canoga Park, CA
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:36pm PT
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Jobs are created by only one factor
Demand
No demand, no jobs,
No one would just create a job for no reason
We have to create demand by spending more
Yet the Republicans want to cut spending
So more Jobs will be lost due to Republican Policies
Spending more what? Printed money? Haven't you learned anything in the last 10 years? How is misallocating capital going to create jobs? Printing money and giving it to one segment of the population only creates inflation.
Demand does not drive growth, Production does. Everything produced is eventually consumed, but you can't consume what is not produced.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:46pm PT
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this thread motivated me to look at some jobs out there. not for me, but it never hurts to know what the market is like.
search indeed.com utah engineers. two jobs for engineers at BD in SLC.
i looked at engineering jobs because thats me and there are tons of them. it just depends upon where you want to live. i did not look up hs dropouts or illegal fruit pickers but my guess is there are some of those too.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
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edit:
deleted due to non-directed vulgarity...
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Oct 11, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
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Demand does not drive growth, Production does. Everything produced is eventually consumed
Aside from being completely discredited, asinine trickle-down supply side pap, this is stunningly ignorant. Tell the homebuilders with half-developed subdivisions and never-occupied houses and condo towers that get dozed due to blight that "everything produced is eventually consumed".
Sh#t, go tell that to the kid out behing McDonalds throwing out the left over french fries at the end of the night.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:00pm PT
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i am glad i am not the only one who saw crack had been at his pipe.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:00pm PT
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Dr. F,
At some point, you'll learn that firms hire to make money. If they see no profit, they make no hires.
This administration chose to pursue policies villifying business. Its NLRB sued Boeing for locating a new plant in a right-to-work state, where it had an existing plant, rather than in a coerced-into-a-union-to-work state, where it also had an existing plant. The demand for Boeing's output is there, but with this action, the profit that would have been there is not.
THis administration's EPA has chosen to regulate carbon dioxide as a pollutant, with the promise of heretofore unimaginable costs to those business that manufacture in the United States, thus reducing profit and reducing hiring.
This administration's SEC has pursued policies which greatly increase the cost of raising equity capital, while this administration's fiscal and monetary policy has robbed the Greatest Generation of any return on their savings.
This administration has chosen to try to treat banks as public utilities and, as a result, lending to all but government-subsidized programs has dried up.
This administration has spent over a trillion dollars "stimulating" the pocketbooks of those who bought and paid for its election. The result has been a hodgepodge of ill-planned, uncoordinated and often useless spending with neither lasting public benefit nor any economic stimulus.
This administration has no signs of any adult behavior. Until that changes, this economy will remain vapid, because this administraiton neither understands private business, nor has any appreciation for its importance.
A pox on it!
John
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:01pm PT
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Aside from being completely discredited, asinine trickle-down supply side pap, this is stunningly ignorant. Tell the homebuilders with half-developed subdivisions and never-occupied houses and condo towers that get dozed due to blight that "everything produced is eventually consumed".
Sh#t, go tell that to the kid out behing McDonalds throwing out the left over french fries at the end of the night.
Yep..
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:02pm PT
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A thought.
I've wondered why I don't hear about this. Most of the people I know are salaried. I believe (though I don't have the numbers so I could be wrong) that the use of salaried employees has increased greatly. It's a nice strategy for companies - get way more work for much less money out of an individual.
These same friends (self included) work 60 hours per week easily each and every week.
If companies allowed people to get their salary and work the normal 40 hour week, then wouldn't for each two currently employed a third job become available?
I know this would cost companies more in terms of benefits etc. (which is why they do it likely) but I wonder if this would not absorb many of the talented and educated people who cannot find work because they jobs don't exist.
Thoughts?
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:03pm PT
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LOL ^^^^^^^^
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:03pm PT
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Crimpie, that is where strong unions come into play. Enforcing the 40 hours work week.
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Hawkeye
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State of Mine
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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moosie,
thats as funny as fattrads peyote remark.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:10pm PT
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How do you think the 40 work week came into existence Hawkeye?
I'm not saying that unions aren't out of balance at this point. I believe that they are, but unionizing helped employees gain many benefits, including the 40 hour week.
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Oct 11, 2011 - 08:12pm PT
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there are some good things that unions have done. and bad. some of them reward simply on seniority and it gives those unions a bad name....just sayin.
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