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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 25, 2011 - 04:47pm PT
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The issues addressed in any lawsuit are often complex and sometimes, as is the case here, have broad impacts beyond just the parties. I’d like to stress that REI's appeal is not about the amount of money Monika's estate should receive through either a trial or a settlement. Instead, it is about the degree to which responsibility should be shared between a private label seller, like REI, and the manufacturer who designed and made the bike component.
If this is really an important issue to REI, and they stress that it is, then they should not have pushed the matter in such a way as to create a court of appeals precedent against their position. There is a reason why the bigger more sophisticated companies often prefer to pay what it takes to settle out of court via confidential settlement agreements.
If you believe REI's official statement on this, overturning the precedent is more important to them then any amount of cash they might need to settle the case. But it was the appeal by REI' that created the precedent. There was nothing directly on point before and now they have a published Court of Appeals decision.
They screwed the pooch on this one, and their appeal to the Supreme Court is a "Hail Mary" pass at trying to do damage control.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 16, 2012 - 10:24pm PT
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Did REI lose their appeal?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Nov 16, 2012 - 10:37pm PT
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REI lost their appeal a looooong time ago.
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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Nov 16, 2012 - 11:13pm PT
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What did Monika win? Well, not Monika, because she is dead, but her family?
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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May 21, 2013 - 07:09pm PT
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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 21, 2013 - 07:43pm PT
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Thanks for posting that. Don't be fooled by atchafalaya's fake snoring, he's more interested in this then most.
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Pennsylenvy
Gym climber
A dingy corner in your refrigerator
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May 21, 2013 - 08:59pm PT
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REI invading Flagstaff.....so they say. Seems the 3 very active (viable??) downtown businesses are outdoor shops. I wonder what goes on behind closed doors in city coucil meetings. Seems they trade sales tax revenue directly for anything. Mixed feelings at best after seeing big box after big box move in.
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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May 21, 2013 - 10:55pm PT
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Interesting thread revival Dane. Did they settle? I see the earlier case.
Johnson v. R.E.I., in the Court of Appeals of the
State of Washington (Case No. 65463-2-I, February
7, 2011).
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RDB
Social climber
wa
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May 21, 2013 - 11:20pm PT
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Turns out this is a much hotter topic than I ever thought it might be. The aftermath will be interesting.
Sadly, we all should be attentive.
REI? Black Diamond? Responisble corporate citizens? Your decision.
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10b4me
Ice climber
Soon 2B Arizona
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May 21, 2013 - 11:55pm PT
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I am an ex REI employee, and glad to be. Everyone who thinks REI is a great company needs to get their head out of the sand.
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RDB
Social climber
wa
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May 22, 2013 - 01:09am PT
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ouch!
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Dapper Dan
Trad climber
Menlo Park
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May 22, 2013 - 01:43am PT
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RDB , is that a broken REI bike ?
At this point , doesn't the consumer bear much of the responsibility for any injuries sustained on their shity bikes ? I mean some cursory research and an Internet search will alert you to previous issues and complaints with their bicycle line . So I don't see what the point of showing another broken bike is ... inform me .
Doesn't that make you dumb for purchasing it ...?
Just curious .
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 22, 2013 - 04:25am PT
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This is the link to use:
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/REI-defends-reputation-despite-claims-of-broken-bikes-and-injured-riders-208380251.html
even though REI sells the Novara brand bike as its own, the member-owned co-op argued any alleged defects were the responsibility of the Taiwan manufacturers.
Imagine that your new iPad was defective and the guy at the Apple Store says, "Sorry it's the Chinese-made screen. It's not our problem--go to China and sue the company that we hired to build the screen for us."
Imagine that your new No. 4 Camalot was defective, causing your partner to deck and Black Diamond said, "Not our problem. Go to China and sue the company we contracted with to build it."
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beaner
Social climber
Maine
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May 22, 2013 - 05:35am PT
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Imagine that your new No. 4 Camalot was defective, causing your partner to deck and Black Diamond said, "Not our problem. Go to China and sue the company we contracted with to build it."
I get the point you are trying to make but while Camalots are made in China they are still made by Black Diamond by BD employees in a factory BD owns. BD doesn't contract out the manufacturing process for hardware. BD wants to own the entire process to avoid contractors that cut corners, steal intellectual property, or sell lower quality/defective units on the black market (didn't that happen with Petzl?).
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 22, 2013 - 11:27am PT
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I get the point you are trying to make but while Camalots are made in China they are still made by Black Diamond by BD employees in a factory BD owns. BD doesn't contract out the manufacturing process for hardware. BD wants to own the entire process to avoid contractors that cut corners, steal intellectual property, or sell lower quality/defective units on the black market (didn't that happen with Petzl?).
If REI management took over Black Diamond, they could just say that it was manufactured by a different company BD Asia, not BD America, and you have to go to China and sue BD Asia.
Once you decide to shirk responsibility for your products, there's no end of excuses.
If REI ever puts out their own climbing gear again, don't buy it. Go with BD or something instead.
Does anyone else remember how much REI's gold gate carabiners sucked?
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 22, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
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^^^scaredtodeath is confused.
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Friedo
Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe
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May 22, 2013 - 12:24pm PT
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I enjoy looking around REI from time to time, but what this thread is suggesting is that you shouldn't buy any gear from REI that you would be entrusting your life to. (i.e. climbing gear!!!)
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