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golsen
Social climber
kennewick, wa
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Here is where I think Hawkeye was headed in his questions of Werner.
Lets say his SAR team had some motive to want to kill some dude. Do you think all of them would agree? Would they all STFU forever?
Then think about the magnitude of a coverup? Just how many people would have to be involved? You really think that all those people would go along? Forget about inconsistencies, all investigations have those.
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WBraun
climber
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You people think everything is so simple.
How could so many people cover up something?
Simply just go to a debunk911 site and everything is explained nicely.
Simply go to a truth-er site and everything is explained nicely.
Let's all speculate what Werner's thinking and put him in one of the 2 camps.
But you don't really know which camp I'm in nor do you know if I'm in any of the camps to begin with. It's only based on the assumptions of what's posted here.
It's an interesting experience to see these things play out.
One can learn so much from it ......
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Mimi
climber
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Werner, you are the bhagwan. Knowing you for so long adds another mirror to your mischief.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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I suppose if we have "Truthers" then the other side of the coin is "Believers."
I find it funny how the Believers always get to the point saying "How could anybody carry this thing off," as if it were proof that nobody on the "inside" could have planned the events.
First thing, find out how the buildings fell down (like, maybe test for explosives? Gee, why not??). After that, try to see how/who.
Proof is NOT saying "It couldn't be done."
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Mimi
climber
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That's a silly argument.
Watch the damned jets hit the buildings with 25,000 or so gallons of jet fuel on board going +400 mph. Ask any fireman who has seen a warehouse fire with much less fuel that had steel I-beams. They glow red and sag to the floor. Why is this awful event committed by a cadre of weak sauce terrorists so hard for you to accept?
The Truthers are also the Believers. You want to believe this horrible event in our history was actually planned by our own government. How very sad.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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You know anyway you cut it 9-11-2001 was an Inside Job -- MIHOP
Whether you look at the Means, Motive, and Opportunity massive evidence . . .
9/11 Timeline
Two-page Summary of 9/11 Timeline
To verify 9/11 timeline statements, use links to articles on major media websites
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911timeline2pg
Complete 911 Timeline, by Paul Thompson
http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
Or you look at the impossible physical evidence that the US Government tries to cram down our throats that completely invalidates their own OCT . . .
Well, welcome to the Perpetual Matrix of Deniability and Ostridges Anonymous. Enjoy being Naive and comfortably Numb. Please Enjoy your Stay . . .
Oh, and while we are at it, Bush Senior wasn't at the Texas School Book Depository on the Day Kennedy was Assassinated either. Nope, he was somewhere else. Well, at least that is what Bush told us and the authorities . . .
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Mimi
climber
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klimmer, not even a glimmer.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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My my, we are keeping ourselves busy.
Well, welcome to the Perpetual Matrix of Deniability and Ostridges Anonymous. Enjoy being Naive and comfortably Numb. Please Enjoy your Stay . . . Put me down for the "Ostridge" team. I'm not quite sure what they are, but they sound like a lot of fun. I hope they don't take themselves too seriously, though.
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dirtbag
climber
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Yeah, I do see a 757. Even at that resolution, the circled part sure looks like a tail, as I mentioned earlier. And in that gif of the impact that was posted a few pages back, in subsequent frames, that tail isn't there.
And funny how no toother has responded to Skip's earlier post about his friend's eyewitness account. (Of course, there are other similar accounts available).
And like I said earlier:
Watch a million hours of TV or movies and you probably by chance will find a few minutes of something that looks like 9-11 references. It's not like 911 is a bizarre number.
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And while viewing such films, you will also likely find something listing the batting averages of the entire 1928 Philadelphia Phillies lineup, a hidden message that "Paul is dead," and the answer to how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie pop.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dirtbag,
No one is denying something is there, but it isn't a full size Boeing 757. We do know "something" hit the Pentagon, but not AA Flight 77. Something smaller and probably carrying a bunker buster. (I would speculate it was guided in, and not piloted in.)
Once again. This is what we should have seen but we did not. (This is too scale and simulated. Not the real event):
Also, since when does a commercial airliner trail smoke or exhaust that is visible at ground level?
We could also get into the idea that a fullsize commercial jetliner going at the speeds they say it was going at, it would be impossible for it to get that low to the ground due to ground effect. No way to do it.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Klimmer, you forget that the security cam was only 2 or 3 frames per second.
I bet your physics students could school you on the odds of catching the complete aircraft in a single frame, or seeing a partial plane in more then one frame. Might even be possible to not see it in any frame.
Did ya think it taxied into the building?
And you see 'smoke' cause it contacted the ground well before hitting the building. And you can't even be sure about 'smoke', when you only see a part of the plane in one frame.
And the 'ground effect' argument is hilarious.
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WBraun
climber
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Hey dirt?
What can you tell me about Dina Corsi, Steve Bongardt, George Tenet, Louis Freeh, Sherry Sabol, Rod Middleton etc, etc.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Monolith,
You see the tail in the "Official" 4 frames yes? So where is the rest of the 757?
The 2nd simulated video of the same 4 frames show you the jet in the same position. The tail would have been protruding higher and the fuselage would be sticking out in front massively and easily seen, as in the simulated video. No way to hide it where the tail sticks up in the released official video. (By the way, this video was leaked at first, they did not want to release it and someone did. Then they just had to anyway again, since it was already out.)
Once again, what ever it was, it was not AA Flight 77, nor was it a Boeing 757.
So it made contact with the ground? Then show me the skid marks in the "Pentalawn." Where are they?
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Mimi, you say "Why is this awful event committed by a cadre of weak sauce terrorists so hard for you to accept?"
Well, because there are so many inconsistencies in the official story.
Both sides debunk arguments pro and con. Yet, serious questions still go unanswered.
Here's one: Why were the large amount of puts on AA not investigated? It would be easy to follow the money trail.
You have an answer for that? I'd like to hear it.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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I don't think it's obvious that's the tail Klimmer.
It's a very blurry pic, can't draw too much from a single frame.
I know you guys love blurry pics, cuz you can make up your own story.
(there's plenty of pics that show the ground contact, and really, you can't even say it was trailing smoke, the pics are so blurry)
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Sorry but all the facts invalidate the OCT.
9-11, it must be investigated. It has not been investigated yet.
The Official 9-11 Commission Report was a whitewash.
We can invalidate nearly all the official story with empirical evidence and timelines and events that completely invalidate the OCT.
Read through Paul Thompson's timeline.
Our Governemnt is lying and covering up. The world knows this.
PNAC called for "A New Pearl Harbor." Well we got it and then we immediatley went to War. Apparently you can not put it together. It's just too much for you. Apparently you can't handle it.
Only seriously deluded people who can't look at the facts and who have their heads so buried deep in the sand can not see it.
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monolith
climber
Berkeley, CA
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Klimmer, get your head out of the sand and check out this video. It's a much better resolution video from the surveillance cam.
It's pretty clear you can only see part of the fuselage and only in one frame, no tail at all.
http://www.break.com/index/911pentagon.html
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Coz,
What don't you get? We don't have to say where the bodies went and what they ultimately did every step of the way. We do not know all there is to know.
All we have to do is invalidate the OCT. We have done this.
So therefore, the OCT is a lie.
Do we know exactly how they did it, every step of the way? No.
But we do know for certain it did not happen as they officially say it happened.
Investigate 9-11.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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I just love klimmer's "ostridge" photo. It's even climbing-related, sort of - in Germanic languages like English, it could be taken to mean "east ridge".
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