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dirtbag
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Apr 25, 2016 - 11:22am PT
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Yes hddj. It's all about Jade helm and FEMA camps, baby.
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Apr 25, 2016 - 11:37am PT
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Yes hddj. It's all about Jade helm and FEMA camps, baby. Naaa...just homeless camps
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 25, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
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It's true Norton. If other people just had the same beliefs as we do then for sure they'd have the same beliefs that we do. The fact that they don't is just ... well ... wrong. Surely if they saw the light like we see the light then they'd see the light like we see the light.
What are the chances that our hypothetical belief in what reality would be like if reality was different and was really like what we believe reality should be like is actually wrong? My belief is that it's like 1 in a billion. Maybe 0 in a billion. That's just how right I believe I am :-)
Humans are just masters of believing stuff, with our awesome specialness of believing stuff. We don't need no stinking survival of the fittest to tell us how to believe stuff.
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Flip Flop
climber
Earth Planet, Universe
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Apr 25, 2016 - 10:48pm PT
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Wow John,
That's some fancy theosophising. You don't speak for anyone that I have met. I won't bother refuting your nonsensical claims suffice to say that we Progressives will continue to promote a meritocratic and participatory society for the whole world, we will end the entitlements of the establishment elite, we will create the government of, by and for the people. And the rich old fat conservative white people can cry when we tax their estates and capital gains. But we'll still clean your sippy cups and change your poopy diapers. Lazy hippies!
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 26, 2016 - 12:58am PT
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...we Progressives will continue to promote a meritocratic and participatory society for the whole world, we will end the entitlements of the establishment elite, we will create the government of, by and for the people. And the rich old fat conservative white people can cry when we tax their estates and capital gains.
Well, maybe some day, but that day is not today and it certainly isn't any day in the next four years. Gonna have to start turning all those red congressional seats blue before any of that happens.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 26, 2016 - 07:21am PT
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Sanders is a COMMUNIST (for those who entertain illusions that he's just a "democratic" socialist).
He's the same breed that had been murdering pepeople in Soviet camps and starving them to death during Collectivization while procliaming it's for the common good. Communist party support is actually illegal in the United States and this is why, I believe, he's been "holding back" on his true beliefs so far. He wouldn't have qualms about depriving people of any freedoms and pretty sure about doing the rest of the commie-fascist repertoire, if he was a allowed to.
I really wish he was dumped to rot in the real Soviet Union...bern, Sanders....bye-bye. The funny thing is that Soviets used to kill people like him, eventually (the bunch of foolish Westerners that had moved to USSR because of their support for the communists).
Older article from New York Post:
Mainstreaming Sanders requires whitewashing his radical pro-communist past. It won’t be easy to do.
If Sanders were vying for a Cabinet post, he’d never pass an FBI background check. There’d be too many subversive red flags popping up in his file. He was a communist collaborator during the height of the Cold War.
Rewind to 1964.
While attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People’s Socialist League, the youth wing of the Socialist Party USA. He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
After graduating with a political science degree, Sanders moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People’s History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda. There, he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs, who was jailed for espionage during the Red Scare and hailed by the Bolsheviks as “America’s greatest Marxist.”
This subversive hero of Sanders, denounced even by liberal Democrats as a “traitor,” bashed “the barons of Wall Street” and hailed the “triumphant” Bolshevik revolution in Russia.
“Those Russian comrades of ours have made greater sacrifices, have suffered more, and have shed more heroic blood than any like number of men and women anywhere on Earth,” Debs proclaimed. “They have laid the foundation of the first real democracy that ever drew the breath of life in this world.”
In a 1918 speech in Canton, Ohio, Debs reaffirmed his solidarity with Lenin and Trotsky, despite clear evidence of their violent plunder and treachery.
Sanders still hangs a portrait of Debs on the wall in his Senate office.
In the early ’70s, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of all US banks and the public takeover of all private utility companies.
After failed runs for Congress, Sanders in 1981 managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vt., where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls and raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts. Local small businesses distributed fliers complaining their new mayor “does not believe in free enterprise.”
His radical activities didn’t stop at the water’s edge.
Sanders took several “goodwill” trips not only to the USSR, but also to Cuba and Nicaragua, where the Soviets were trying to expand their influence in our hemisphere.
In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government. He called it a “heroic revolution.” Undermining anti-communist US policy, Sanders denounced the Reagan administration’s backing of the Contra rebels in a letter to the Sandinistas.
His betrayal did not end there. Sanders lobbied the White House to stop the proxy war and even tried to broker a peace deal. He adopted Managua as a sister city and invited Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega to visit the US. He exalted Ortega as “an impressive guy,” while attacking President Reagan.
“The Sandinista government has more support among the Nicaraguan people — substantially more support — than Ronald Reagan has among the American people,” Sanders told Vermont government-access TV in 1985.
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Sanders also adopted a Soviet sister city outside Moscow and honeymooned with his second wife in the USSR. He put up a Soviet flag in his office, shocking even the Birkenstock-wearing local liberals. At the time, the Evil Empire was on the march around the world, and threatening the US with nuclear annihilation.
Then, in 1989, as the West was on the verge of winning the Cold War, Sanders addressed the national conference of the US Peace Council — a known front for the Communist Party USA, whose members swore an oath not only to the Soviet Union but to “the triumph of Soviet power in the US.”
Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua and other communist states to America.
For starters, he proposes completely nationalizing our health care system and putting private health insurance and drug companies “out of business.” He also wants to break up “big banks” and control the energy industry, while providing “free” college tuition, a “living wage” and guaranteed homeownership and jobs through massive public works projects. Price tag: $18 trillion.
Who will pay for it all? You will. Sanders plans to not only soak the rich with a 90 percent-plus tax rate, while charging Wall Street a “speculation tax,” but hit every American with a “global-warming tax.”
Of course, even that wouldn’t cover the cost of his communist schemes; a President Sanders would eventually soak the middle class he claims to champion. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need, right?
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Comrade from Vermont
Former mayoral advisers from Burlington defend their old boss. They note that Sanders was never a member of the Communist Party and deny he was even a small-c communist, even while acknowledging he named their city softball squad the “People’s Republic of Burlington” and the town’s minor league baseball team the “Vermont Reds.”
What about those communist sister cities he adopted? “Bernie established them to support people-to-people exchanges which might support peace in the long run,” said Bruce Seifer, who was one of Sanders’ central economic planners directing Burlington businesses to “reinvest their profits in the community.”
In an interview, Seifer claimed that it was “no different than President Nixon opening relations with China.”
Please. Sanders and his Sanderistas are all still pining for what Debs called “the Greater Revolution yet to come.”
What’s revolting is how this hardcore commie’s campaign has gotten this far. With his ascendancy in both Iowa and New Hampshire, Sanders is no longer just a fool; he’s now a dangerous fool.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Apr 26, 2016 - 07:43am PT
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Sanders is a COMMUNIST
HA!
Americans don't seem to know what socialism is..let alone the communist manifesto version of it... Bernie is not even a socialist based on his platform.
Bernie is merely a mainstream if not slightly right liberal in most countries.
Only in America does his view seem far left. There is no reasonable way to claim he is a socialist from what I've seen.
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Apr 26, 2016 - 07:58am PT
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katz, thanks for citing the New York Post. That stellar, conservative, daily publication owned by Rupert Murdoch and printed in tabloid format has go to be the best example of investigative, non biased journalism known to man.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Apr 26, 2016 - 09:27am PT
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DMT is a meany...;)
Gotta love these headlines tho,
Even the New Your Herald got it wrong apparently,
Edit; Sanders is a COMMUNIST (for those who entertain illusions that he's just a "democratic" socialist).
He's the same breed that had been murdering pepeople in Soviet camps and starving them to death during Collectivization while procliaming it's for the common good. Communist party support is actually illegal in the United States and this is why, I believe, he's been "holding back" on his true beliefs so far. He wouldn't have qualms about depriving people of any freedoms and pretty sure about doing the rest of the commie-fascist repertoire, if he was a allowed to.
THAT is some rediculously funny shitz right there. Might want to see a therapist about that just in case that is really what you think...
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Apr 26, 2016 - 09:35am PT
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climbski, Я совсем понимаю что-то коммунизма и Bernie хотел бы коммунист, без сомнения.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 26, 2016 - 09:46am PT
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The outcome of socialism and communism will be always the same, anywhere in the world: oppression, corruption, extinction. Some places sooner than others. After that, come only the wildest forms of capitalism, and the cronie one.
Just over the last weekend I was looking at the same picture Dingust had posted today... The granddaughter of Joseph Stalin, by the way, lives in Portland, Oregon, running a little business, a vintage clothing shop...his children/grandchildren in spirit, however--most them--had their lives destroyed, by what they'd built, and are living off tiny pensions, just enough to cover the heating bill for the flat, but not enough to pay for food.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 26, 2016 - 10:08am PT
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The outcome of laissez-faire capitalism will always be the same. Monopolies develop until a very small group of ultra-wealthy robber barons cheat and rob consumers and control the government and all resources.
Could it be that blind devotion to either rigid ideology is stupid? That careful and monitored and adjusted balancing can lead to the best outcomes for the most people? Nah, I'll just assume I'm right and everyone who is on the other side is stupid.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 26, 2016 - 10:17am PT
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By the way, meet Ms. Evans, the granddaughter of Joseph Stalin, the daughter of Svetlana Aliluyeva aka Lana Peters, who was the only daughter of Stalin -- happily living in Portland, OR and enjoying the benefits of capitalism (though she does look a lot more like Bernie's kid... ):
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 26, 2016 - 10:18am PT
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 26, 2016 - 10:48am PT
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Once again kattz has uncontrollably stumbled on to the truth...Bernie is the reincarnation of Josef Stalin! GMAFB!
In that photo you posted Chrese Evans is dressed up as British comic "Tank Girl." Apparently she posted it on her Facebook page to defy the old guard back in Mother Russia.
The souls of Stalin's remaining devotees cried out against this abhorrent display of western decadence exhibited by, of all people, the granddaughter of their beloved Josef.
Carry on folks...nothin' going on here ;-(
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Apr 26, 2016 - 11:01am PT
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The outcome of socialism and communism will...
No need to read beyond that. If you don't understand the issue, it's unlikely you will come to any sort of correct conclusion.
Curt
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Apr 26, 2016 - 02:18pm PT
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No need to read beyond that. If you don't understand the issue, it's unlikely you will come to any sort of correct conclusion.
...we're all gonna die!
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Apr 26, 2016 - 02:31pm PT
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Quote of the day come to us via "the Fet". (Although the take that Lincoln was a woman and Booth a jilted lover cracks me up)
Could it be that blind devotion to either rigid ideology is stupid? That careful and monitored and adjusted balancing can lead to the best outcomes for the most people? Nah, I'll just assume I'm right and everyone who is on the other side is stupid.
Ah-men dood, Ah-men.
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Larry Nelson
Social climber
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Apr 26, 2016 - 02:44pm PT
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I like the Fet's quote:
Could it be that blind devotion to either rigid ideology is stupid?
I will add that no economic system in history has brought more people out of poverty than pure unadulterated capitalism.
(it's not an ideology, it's what happens naturally when people are left alone to a liberal dose of freedom)
Regulation for the good of the consumer is necessary because of intractable human nature
The only place where a limited form of socialism has worked is in Northern European mono-cultures.
BTW: Bernie Sanders describes himself as a socialist. I believe what he says.
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