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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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They can't take the position, 'cause they're ALL DEAD!
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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They can't take the position, 'cause they're ALL DEAD!
Their families are alive. You don't speak for the victims, the families do.
If you try to speak for the families, you are claiming FALSE VALOR for yourself.
Pathetic and disgusting.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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Did you ever wear the uniform of our country? I did, and thereby have the right to speak for deceased brothers in arms. Ever been to a military funeral where they play Taps? Tears your heart out if you've served.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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The Benghazi story fed by the right is a hoax. They do it for political gain. Shameful and exploitative.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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I did, and thereby have the right to speak for deceased brothers in arms.
I did as well, but I certainly don't believe that gives either one of us a right to speak for anyone else.
And Hillary had about as much to do with Benghazi as she did Fukashima.
The Benghazi compound was a provisional CIA outpost in a conflict zone. The CIA personnel were there for the sole purpose of being our eyes and ears on the ground. The compound met none of State's OSPB consulate security standards exactly because it wasn't an embassy, but rather a makeshift compound put together by the CIA who were tasked to track events on the ground and gather what intel they could on the various factions operating in the area.
About the only thing you can say may have been a bad call was having Stevens in on the ground in rebel territory for a visit too soon. But the fact remains we didn't go in precisely because the very guys we sent in to map out events on the ground got burned and overrun - e.g. we no longer had eyes and ears on the ground and no one in the Med or in DC wanted a 'Blackhawk Down' replay with whomever we would have sent in for a rescue.
Now you can also argue we shouldn't have been so gunshy about repeating the Mogadishu scenario - but had we sent in a rescue team and lost them as well the gop would now be screaming about the advisability of having sent a team in ala Carter. The pooch was screwed either way and the lesson learned should be not to set up unsecure, provisional 'consulates' until the shitstorm has calmed down and we really have a stable, secure and aware force on the ground and a defensible position from which to operate from.
Benghazi - it's all totally manufactured political theatre, get over it dude.
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Brokedownclimber
Trad climber
Douglas, WY
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In every Government office they have a TOE posted; that's a Table of Organization. In the State Department, The Secretary of State is at the TOP of the list, and is ultimately the official RESPONSIBLE for all operations and acts (or lack thereof) happening within that department. It HAPPENED ON HILLARY'S WATCH; therefore SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE. Period.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Why did Fox news ( GOP ) roast Hillary over Bengotcha and not Barack...? Was it because Hillary was going to run for POTUS and the GOP needed a home run to keep her out of the white house..?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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In every Government office they have a TOE posted; that's a Table of Organization. In the State Department, The Secretary of State is at the TOP of the list, and is ultimately the official RESPONSIBLE for all operations and acts (or lack thereof) happening within that department. It HAPPENED ON HILLARY'S WATCH; therefore SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE. Period.
Yes, in the same way a company owner is responsible for for the actions of those their company employs.
I believe that Hillary Clinton has accepted accountability at that level, has she not? However, a murderer, that does not make her. The GOP rhetoric would have her as plotting for the event to occur.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Their families are alive. You don't speak for the victims, the families do.
If you try to speak for the families, you are claiming FALSE VALOR for yourself.
Pathetic and disgusting.
You must be kidding me. Trying to claim that anyone with an opinion about Benghazi equates to stolen valor is about as stupid as claiming Bundy's cattle are so wild that it places government agents in harms way to round them up.
Good Grief
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Hillary had no warning about the Benghazi attack
It was 3000 miles away in another Country.
There was nothing she could do after it happened
except do an investigation and put the perpetrators in jail
She did that, case closed.
Bush had multiple warnings, was wiretapping the Country for terrorist attacks.
Yet 911 happened at our most populated spot in America
and then people died of a Anthrax terrorist attack in DC
then he lied us into a war and 5000 soldiers died
at a cost of 3 trillion
and then bankrupted the Country
So you agree that Bush was responsible for it all
and yet you make a bigger deal out of Benghazi just because that's what Fox News spouts as propoganda
When are we going to make Bush accountable?
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Stop stealing valor Craig Fry.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Fox News has stole the Valor
Not the truth
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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It HAPPENED ON HILLARY'S WATCH; therefore SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE. Period.
UR wrong the entire thing was a HOAX..
Damn it's some good KOOL AID you'll are drinking..
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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What we forget is that Benghazi was also a covert CIA office
So when the CIA is involved, the State Dept. does not have complete responsibility.
The CIA are on their own, no one will take responsibility for what they got going on
oops, HealyJ said it better above
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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I agree...Let's pretend 911 didn't happen and vote for George W. Trump...
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Back OT
Vanity Fair: Trump Kept a Volume of Hitler's Speeches By His Bedside
11:37 AM, Mar 01, 2016 | By Mark Hemingway
Of all the crazy revelations about Donald Trump, arguably the one that seems most alarming, is that he has a fondness for reading Hitler speeches. Now the charge was made by his first wife Ivana relating to his divorce proceedings, but when asked about it, Trump's denial was less than reassuring:
Last April, perhaps in a surge of Czech nationalism, Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed. Kennedy now guards a copy of My New Order in a closet at his office, as if it were a grenade. Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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If Hillary was directly responsible for the Benghazi attacks or not isn't the point.
She WAS and IS responsible for being part of the war pig agenda to overthrow/murder Gaddhafi and destabilize Lybia in the first place.
Not that I think Trump is any better but he likely hasn't murdered people (yet).
Until we can get rid of our overly-massive MIC and all of the evils that pour from it, we're all fu$$#ed.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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The Libya United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 doesn't even mention Hillary.
So I guess you must be mistaken on your grossly negligent accusations against Hillary
2011 military intervention in Libya
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
On 19 March 2011, a multi-state coalition began a military intervention in Libya, ostensibly to implement United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973. The United Nations Intent and Voting was to have "an immediate ceasefire in Libya, including an end to the current attacks against civilians, which it said might constitute crimes against humanity" ... "imposing a ban on all flights in the country's airspace – a no-fly zone – and tightened sanctions on the Qadhafi regime and its supporters." The resolution was taken in response to events during the Libyan Civil War,[18] and military operations began, with American and British naval forces firing over 110 Tomahawk cruise missiles,[19] the French Air Force, British Royal Air Force, and Royal Canadian Air Force[20] undertaking sorties across Libya and a naval blockade by Coalition forces.[21] French jets launched air strikes against Libyan Army tanks and vehicles.[22][23] The Libyan government response to the campaign was totally ineffectual, with Gaddafi's forces not managing to shoot down a single NATO plane despite the country possessing 30 heavy SAM batteries, 17 medium SAM batteries, 55 light SAM batteries (a total of 400-450 launchers, including 130-150 SA-6 launchers and some SA-8 launchers), and 440-600 short-ranged air-defense guns.[24][25] The official names for the interventions by the coalition members are Opération Harmattan by France; Operation Ellamy by the United Kingdom; Operation Mobile for the Canadian participation and Operation Odyssey Dawn for the United States.[26]
From the beginning of the intervention, the initial coalition of Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Italy, Norway, Qatar, Spain, UK and US[27][28][29][30][31] expanded to nineteen states, with newer states mostly enforcing the no-fly zone and naval blockade or providing military logistical assistance. The effort was initially largely led by France and the United Kingdom, with command shared with the United States. NATO took control of the arms embargo on 23 March, named Operation Unified Protector
I hate all the lies being perpetuated about Hillary, are you saying she has killed people??
That's sick and disgusting
It just goes to show the inner personality of the people that believe anything they are told, they look for the confirmation bias to hate
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pud
climber
Sportbikeville & Yucca brevifolia
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Of all the crazy revelations about Donald Trump, arguably the one that seems most alarming, is that he has a fondness for reading Hitler speeches. Now the charge was made by his first wife Ivana relating to his divorce proceedings, but when asked about it, Trump's denial was less than reassuring:
This alarms you?
I mean really. "most alarming"?
You can be "reassured" by not believing everything you read.
Why would a bitter ex-wife say such a thing?
or ...
You could simply take your own advice.
I hate all the lies being perpetuated about Hillary, are you saying she has killed people??
That's sick and disgusting
It just goes to show the inner personality of the people that believe anything they are told, they look for the confirmation bias to hate
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Hitler did deliver a good speech. Stalin, not so much.
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