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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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Dec 14, 2009 - 04:37pm PT
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And what about us Satanists? Where do we fit in?
Well, those satanists of normal girth can fit in just about anywhere, but if your "fat"trad moniker is accurate, you may never fit.
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jstan
climber
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Dec 14, 2009 - 04:38pm PT
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Jeff you did not read my post?
MacArthur is claiming Satan has moved, lock stock and barrel
inside the church!
The first thing any halfway intelligent devil would do.
As for yourself, you qualify on only one of these two criteria.
PS: (Intended to be dry humor.)
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 14, 2009 - 05:09pm PT
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"Gobee, constantly posting up that stuff pretty much reinforces the view of religion is just dogma packaged so that adherents don't have to think for themselves."
It seems to me that I'm being scientific and a student of the Bible to let it speak for itself! I try to find the parts that relate to things others have posted? My whole purpose is the point to God and that He is Holy, and Jesus is Lord!
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Dec 14, 2009 - 05:11pm PT
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"scientific" and "the Bible" in the same sentence..... now there's a laugher....
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 14, 2009 - 05:25pm PT
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Yes the original thinker is all knowing
How do you know?
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Bronwyn
Trad climber
Not of This World
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Dec 14, 2009 - 05:39pm PT
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These people on TBN are apparently modern-day Pharisees. They will be judged, but not by me, fortunately.
To be honest, I have never heard of this network but I don't have a TV, either. (Who has time to watch TV when there are rocks to climb?)
No wonder non-Christians think Christians are so screwed up. I would too, if I were seeing this "wealth and prosperity" BS. What a crock! And how NOT representative of the Gospel! If people were more familiar with what is actually written in the Bible, they would not fall for this stuff.
Jesus was poor. He calls us to follow Him. Read your Bible. (I'm going with Trip's suggestion a while back and re-reading John.)
Shoot your TV.
Go hang out with God. If you find Him in the outdoors, go for it. Sometimes, for me, when I am climbing, I feel like I am tracing my hands across the face of God.
Other times, of course, I'm just...flailing.
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Klimmer
Mountain climber
San Diego
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Dec 14, 2009 - 06:28pm PT
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And what about us Satanists? Where do we fit in?
The evil one
Well, Hell was created for the Devil, Lucifer, Satan (or any other name he is known by) and the Angels that followed him. So I would say Hell.
However, there have been some Satanists that have left their cults and have turned to Christ. Hope is not lost. Even at the last possible moment there is hope. Recall the thief who asked Jesus to remember him while hanging on the cross? Jesus, told him that he would be in Paradise along with Jesus.
It is your only hope. Seek GOD's forgiveness through Jesus (Yeshua), Fattrad.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 14, 2009 - 07:07pm PT
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"It is your only hope. Seek GOD's forgiveness through Jesus"
Klimmer with a "K", IS RIGHT!
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 14, 2009 - 09:41pm PT
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MANY of us have SHORT attention spans...
Locker, does this help?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 14, 2009 - 10:11pm PT
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was Ardi the one who first created Hell?
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dirtbag
climber
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Dec 14, 2009 - 10:23pm PT
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And what about us Satanists? Where do we fit in?
I'll be joining you in the eternal fire pit. Together we shall roast marshmallows and have fun and spirited conversations.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Dec 14, 2009 - 10:27pm PT
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you know that ose 'shmallow, chocolate graham cracker deals that most people call 'smores?
my mom used to call those angels on horseback....
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Dec 14, 2009 - 10:42pm PT
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jstan-
Good one!
Who'd have guessed you'd read MacArthur?
Mighty Hiker -
It strikes me as really hypocritical that educated east coast intellectuals, no doubt invested in the stock market, are now trying to blame part of America's economic problems on poor religious people in the south and poor immigrants? Prosperity Christianity can certainly be criticized, but linking it to the sub prime mortgage mess? What next?
Dr. F- Ardi was our female ancestor.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Dec 14, 2009 - 10:45pm PT
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Rokjox-
I would be interested in hearing about your experience.
As I noted above and everyone studiously ignored, I have had many students over the years, especially those who work in military intel, who have had similar mystical experiences.
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 14, 2009 - 10:50pm PT
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Prosperity Christianity can certainly be criticized, but linking it to the sub prime mortgage mess? What next?
I wouldn't know. I just thought it was an interesting article, and don't know anything about the writer. Over-consumption and over-borrowing certainly seem to be factors in the economic situation, whether or not related to religious beliefs. Rather a change from Max Weber's theory in "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism".
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bc
climber
Prescott, AZ
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Dec 14, 2009 - 11:25pm PT
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What about Ardi, was he our ancestor?????
Dr. F, Science can't answer that. I think the most they can say is that she has the attributes we would expect to see in a possible ancestor, but not that she is for certain a direct ancestor. It's just as likely she was a member of a hominid lineage that went extinct.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 14, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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Jan...
The Faith of a Centurion
Matthew 8:5-13, When he entered Capernaum, a centurion came forward to him, appealing to him, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, suffering terribly.” And he said to him, “I will come and heal him.” But the centurion replied, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant will be healed. For I too am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. And I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes, and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” When Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who followed him, “Truly, I tell you, with no one in Israel have I found such faith. I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” And to the centurion Jesus said, “Go; let it be done for you as you have believed.” And the servant was healed at that very moment.
The Death of Jesus
Matthew 27:45-56, Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land until the ninth hour. And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” And some of the bystanders, hearing it, said, “This man is calling Elijah.” And one of them at once ran and took a sponge, filled it with sour wine, and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. But the others said, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to save him.” And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!”
There were also many women there, looking on from a distance, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him, among whom were Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Joseph and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Dec 14, 2009 - 11:31pm PT
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Gobee- "I try to find the parts that relate to things that others have posted?"
Your doing a great job, and I appreciate your posts confirming/reaffirming/clarifying/edifying and in some cases correcting through Scripture.
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable, for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:16.
healyje- "So adherents don't have to think for themselves."
What a lame statement! As if Christians don't think. For instance Dostoevsky, or C.S. Lewis weren't critical thinkers! Or Copernicus, or Sir Isaac Newton for that matter!
I scored a near perfect score(missed one question because I didn't bother to go back and finish it)on the Standardized Analytical Reasoning IQ test in college!! That put me in the top 1% in the nation according to my college(SDSU)professor.
Many(not all) problems in my life were on account of my "leaning on my own understandings"!
I doubt if you even bother to read any of the Scripture that Gobee posts. Why? Do you fear it will somehow negate your love to hate it?
"When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken..." David Hume.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Dec 14, 2009 - 11:41pm PT
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Regarding the Atlantic article:
I have a hard time with people who blame the poor and the immigrants for America's troubles. I think it's a double shame when someone from the upper middle class who writes for an East Coast based intellectual journal joins in.
There is so much blame to go around, why start with the poor? If she had wanted to do an article on the problems created by prosperity churches, that deserves to be done. If she had wanted to write about the American propensity for gambling at many levels, fine. However, in an era when Wall Street money managers walked out with hundreds of millions, it hardly seems fair to blame a small number of people at the bottom of society for the problems.
I am not a defender of the right wing, fundamentalist religion or the mindset of the deep south!
I am critical however, of those in privileged positions who abuse that privilege for their own gain, including reporters. To use an old Biblical phrase - To whom more is given, more is expected. I would have expected more from someone publishing in that magazine, that's all.
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