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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 21, 2016 - 05:47pm PT
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Hillary did not concede he nomination to Obama until June 7
According to Wikipedia, on May 9:
Recognizing that the nature of the contest had changed, Clinton largely eliminated mention of criticism of Obama from her stump speeches and advertisements.
Her intentional strategy was not to damage his electability in November. When it was clear that she was losing, she backed off, and did the group thing, instead of the intentional slash and burn independent thing that Sanders campaign manager is floating.
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rbord
Boulder climber
atlanta
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Apr 21, 2016 - 06:43pm PT
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Thanks crankster. I haven't seen that. I expect they'll spin it to their best advantage, but when you say that you're going to the convention to try to convince the super delegates to tilt the nomination to Sanders even if he loses the popular vote because he's more electable, we can probably do the math on his campaign's strategy of attacking Clinton.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Apr 22, 2016 - 06:30am PT
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Let's all be friends....
JON FAVREAU
TURN TO NOVEMBER 04.21.16 10:00 PM ET
Hey, Berniacs: I Learned to Love Hillary and So Can You
An Obama 2008 veteran, who’s been on a campaign that was in a position similar to Clinton’s and that had to reconcile with Clinton, offers his thoughts.
Maybe you don’t believe that she’s different from the caricature we’ve all helped perpetuate. But she is running a campaign with a policy platform that’s more progressive than her husband’s administration, her 2008 campaign, and—in a few cases—Barack Obama’s administration.
Guess what? Bernie Sanders helped make that happen. He helped push Hillary Clinton to the left. And he should keep pushing her if she becomes president.
So keep your passion, your energy, and even your outrage. Just focus it on November.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/22/hey-berniacs-i-learned-to-love-hillary-and-so-can-you.html
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 22, 2016 - 06:53am PT
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monolith,I wish that would matter to the neo-liberals.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 22, 2016 - 07:05am PT
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Depends on what? ,DMT.
Just Curious.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Apr 22, 2016 - 07:17am PT
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Crank posted Maybe you don’t believe that she’s different from the caricature we’ve all helped perpetuate. But she is running a campaign with a policy platform that’s more progressive than her husband’s administration, her 2008 campaign, and—in a few cases—Barack Obama’s administration.
People have short memories or don't take the time to actually look things up by Clinton was the liberal scourge that the right wing loved to hate back when she was First Lady. She was almost always to the left of her husband.
monolith posted Sanders polls much better vs Trump than Clinton does.
These polls mean literally nothing unless the election is tomorrow. Stop paying attention to them. They are fodder for partisans and talking heads in need of filler. It's akin to looking at the weather report 6 months out and committing to an Everest summit bid on a certain day based on it.
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WBraun
climber
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Apr 22, 2016 - 07:25am PT
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There's a huge yard in the back of DC Washington of useless politards stacked sky high just like an auto wreaking yard.
They should throw all those useless candidates in there including the wannabee POTUS Hillary and start all over.
Until you fools can get it right.
It'll never happen, because you're all fools .....
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Apr 22, 2016 - 08:00am PT
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Hillary's inauguration will be in Yosemite Valley, not Washington D.C.
Astroman will be bolted to hold the TV lights. It'll be 5.6 when she's done.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Apr 22, 2016 - 08:05am PT
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If we can't all climb Astroman, no one should climb Astroman.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 22, 2016 - 10:53am PT
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Left, Right, Liberal, Centrist, Ultra-Conservative, NeoCon, NeoLiberal...all BS labels...what's fair and what works that is my ideology. Right now the political system is not fair and it's not working for the majority of the American people. If your policies achieve the exact opposite of their original intention, then you're a miserable failure, I don't care who you are, what party or what ideology you belong to.
Bernie will transform all Yosemite routes so that none are too Big to Fail while preserving their original character.
Bernie will outlaw Yosemite territorial pissing rituals and make the Valley friendly to all dirt baggers alike.
Bernie will eliminate rating inequality and he will round up all the sand baggers and place them in bear cages on display in the Camp 4 parking lot.
;-)
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 22, 2016 - 11:05am PT
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Give them tents and they will come
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Apr 22, 2016 - 11:16am PT
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These polls mean literally nothing unless the election is tomorrow. Stop paying attention to them. They are fodder for partisans and talking heads in need of filler. It's akin to looking at the weather report 6 months out and committing to an Everest summit bid on a certain day based on it.
National polls mean nothing, no matter when they are taken. You really need to get accurate polling data from each State to see how the electoral college votes will be cast. Nate Silver of 538 really nailed the 2012 presidential election via this method.
Curt
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Norton
Social climber
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Apr 22, 2016 - 11:23am PT
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The popular vote does not determine who becomes President.
What matters is getting exactly 270 or more Electoral Votes to move in the White House
And so the polls that show Mr. Sanders having a higher percentage number of people saying now in April that they would prefer him vs Mrs Clinton - mean nothing
Because those are national, and not state by state Electoral Vote Polls.
And there simply has not been enough state by state polling to make any kind of prediction, yet, on that matter.
My own guess, based on looking at the individual states, is that Mrs Clinton would in fact do far better than Mr Sanders against either Trump or Cruz.
And that is based on her superior lead over Sanders in the delegate rich states,
such as California, New York, and the north central states.
In addition, Hillary Clinton has been "vetted" since 1992, her negatives are well known
whereas Bernie Sanders is far from being in the gun sights of the political right, at this point there is no telling of the damage that 500 million dollars in negative "socialist=Hitler advertising that he would be hit with should he be the Democratic nominee.
I respectfully disagree with the presumption that Bernie would actually be a better or stronger Democrat to face Trump or Cruz than Hillary Clinton.
edit: I was typing while Curt was posting the same Electoral College thoughts, perhaps we had the same thing for breakfast....
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Apr 22, 2016 - 11:28am PT
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The super delegates are the democratic party's version of the senate. Their purpose is to smooth out the voting spikes of populism and to insure the electability of the candidate emerging from the primary. Their battle cry is "Remember Hubert Humphrey!"
More like "Remember George McGovern!"
McGovern lost to Nixon by 520 to 17 Electoral College votes.
Curt
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Apr 22, 2016 - 11:47am PT
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Speaking of state polling,
Sanders decimates Clinton in battleground states vs Trump.
These states he has higher margins than Clinton:
Georgia
Iowa
Michigan
Minnesota
North Carolina
New Hampshire
Ohio
Utah
Virginia
Sanders is even with Clinton vs Trump in these battleground states:
Florida
New York
Wisconsin
Some of these states become battleground states because Trump is running.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/20-reasons-sanders-voters-are-justifiably-angry_b_9544744.html
So yea, according to the gold standard, state polling, Sanders beats Clinton, and is therefore highly electable.
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k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
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Apr 22, 2016 - 11:52am PT
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Just because Bernie wants an educated populace by guaranteeing school through college for all of those who are able does not mean he wants to give away everything.
Geeze people.
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STEEVEE
Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
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Apr 22, 2016 - 02:22pm PT
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The more I watch mainstream media about the election and their focus on Trump and Hillary, the more I believe Trump is just a red herring. The whole thing is just one big hypnotic bullshit show.
I will not vote for Hillary...never. And if Trump gets elected, it's the Dems fault. Frankly it's the establishments fault and they underestimated the stupidity of the populace
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