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STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Apr 21, 2016 - 12:46pm PT
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-04202016-map-sanders-won-most-counties-in-new-york-but-cl-1461178123-htmlstory.html
Doesn't surprise me at all the Hillary won among Wall Street, people of means and the same status quo which benefits from the current system.
New York City does not represent the vast spectrum of the U.S. or even the vast spectrum of New York State.
Norton

Social climber
Apr 21, 2016 - 12:55pm PT
True

but Hillary has won across the economic spectrum, including the very poor throughout this campaign

I really like Bernie, don't see how anyone would not like him personally as a man

the political right sees him as very extreme and after their wealth, understandably so

"most" Democrats see Hillary as more of a pragmatist, more central, moderate
and that is what seems to be driving her to thee nomination and White House
dirtbag

climber
Apr 21, 2016 - 01:00pm PT
Doesn't surprise me at all the Hillary won among Wall Street, people of means and the same status quo which benefits from the current system.
New York City does not represent the vast spectrum of the U.S. or even the vast spectrum of New York State.


Dude, she got the most votes. If all she got was votes from the top 1%, then she would have 1% of the vote.

Sorry, I know that doesn't fit the Bernie narrative of Hillary as a slave to corporate interests, but a lot of people from all backgrounds, especially in areas that aren't predominantly white, support her in large numbers.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Apr 21, 2016 - 01:02pm PT
Bernie's campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, articulates the plan moving forward...

If neither candidate has the necessary minimum number of delegates going into the convention, then the question becomes, "Who is better equipped to beat the Repubs in November?" In the meantime, there will be an effort to flip Superdelegates from now to the Convention.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/04/19/sanders_campaigns_weaver_race_will_be_determined_by_superdelegates_not_pledged_delegates.html
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 21, 2016 - 01:07pm PT
Clinton not having enough elected delegates at this point would require a serious event. She's well ahead of where she needs to be right now.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Apr 21, 2016 - 01:09pm PT
Sorry, I know that doesn't fit the Bernie narrative of Hillary as a slave to corporate interests, but a lot of people from all backgrounds, especially in areas that aren't predominantly white, support her in large numbers.
I find this perplexing given his involvement with the Civil Rights movement, support from Harry Belafonte, Killer Mike, Spike Lee, etc and his allowing the Black Lives Matters protestors to take over his microphone at one of his rallies.


STEEVEE

Social climber
HUMBOLDT, CA
Apr 21, 2016 - 01:11pm PT
True

but Hillary has won across the economic spectrum, including the very poor throughout this campaign

I really like Bernie, don't see how anyone would like him personally as a man

the political right sees him as very extreme and after their wealth, understandably so

"most" Democrats see Hillary as more of a pragmatist, more central, moderate
and that is what seems to be driving her to thee nomination and White House
No doubt that stupid Americans will ride that line of reasoning into ruin.
But, that's history...written before it happens.
Sparky

Trad climber
vagabond movin on
Apr 21, 2016 - 01:15pm PT
Norton

Social climber
Apr 21, 2016 - 01:41pm PT
I find this perplexing given his involvement with the Civil Rights movement, support from Harry Belafonte, Killer Mike, Spike Lee, etc and his allowing the Black Lives Matters protestors to take over his microphone at one of his rallies.

well, obviously Black people are not impressed with Bernie's involvement with those Black celebrities you named, nor do they seem to care about BLM protesters being allowed to take over this microphone

seems there is more to earning Black people's support than that....clearly given Hillary's much larger support in all the minorities communities including Hispanic, etc
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 21, 2016 - 01:49pm PT
Hillary should just make Bernie her VP and call it good.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Apr 21, 2016 - 02:50pm PT
nor do they seem to care about BLM protesters being allowed to take over this microphone
according to Rev Al Sharpton on NPR yesterday, Trevon Martin is more important than MLK in today's Black community. In any case, Bernie's lack of appeal to people of color and his obvious controversial stance on natural child birth and breast feeding alone should disqualify him from being POTUS
rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Apr 21, 2016 - 04:33pm PT
So Bernie's strategy moving forward, as explained by his campaign manager, is that he's going to continue trying to damage Clinton's General Election electability in order to bolster his own argument to the super-delegates that he is more electable than she, in order to steal the nomination from her and the majority of voters who support her. Machiavelli would be proud.

I really like him, but that bums me out. It does however help me understand and respect the large majority of black voters who had the foresight to not trust him, and prefer Clinton, because in a similar situation in her contest against Obama, when the popular vote went Obama's way, and the super-delegates switched from Clinton to Obama, she didn't play the sour grapes independent political game of torpedoing his electability, but instead ceased hostility and supported him and his adminstration for 8 years.

But given the 40+% of Sanders supporters who would prefer Trump to Clinton, he's probably just representing the larger pool of money that he has taken from his supporters.

Politics is politics. When the sh#t hits the fan in the revolution, the folks with 1/13 of median white wealth don't expect to come out ahead.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 21, 2016 - 04:38pm PT
I believe Jeff Weaver is walking back those statements.

Bernie’s Failed Revolution
How Sanders fell short of changing the Democratic Party.

Full article below.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-democratic-party-new-york-primary-213829
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 21, 2016 - 05:00pm PT
New York City does not represent the vast spectrum of the U.S. or even the vast spectrum of New York State.

If you add up the populations of the counties clinton won you'd see that she won the vote of the vast majority of citizens of the state of New York. Clinton won the urban and suburban vote throughout the state with the exception of Albany County (87.9% of the state's population in 2010) with Bernie winning the rural vote which makes sense as rural areas in NY have more in common with Vermont than NYC.

And in NYC metro Bernie basically won the well-off white vote and that was it. Less well off whites, blacks, hispanics and asians all voted for Clinton (see here). So if you're a progressive who supports diversity then you have to admit clinton walked away with the real representative spectrum of New York state.

rbord

Boulder climber
atlanta
Apr 21, 2016 - 05:06pm PT
Thanks crankster. In that article? I didn't see it.

He said after NY that they were going to continue to attack Clinton all the way to the convention, and that if they got there with fewer pledged delegates, and fewer popular votes, they would try to convince the super delegates using the supposed greater electability of Sanders, an argument which he will have been reinforcing with his continued attacks against Clinton. That's his strategy.
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Apr 21, 2016 - 05:27pm PT
Hillary did not concede the nomination to Obama until June 7, 2008

crankster: I didn't see anything in the article you posted indicating Weaver was walking back those statements

I'm a Bernie supporter, but I don't think the Super Delegates should over rule the will of the people. Apparently >350,000 MoveON.org members, who strongly supported Bernie, have signed a petition stating that...

The race for the Democratic Party nomination should be decided by who gets the most votes, and not who has the most support from party insiders.

That's why we're calling on all the Democratic superdelegates to pledge to back the will of the voters at the Democratic Party convention in Philadelphia.

The Bernie campaign will have to make a very compelling case to flip SDs who are strongly committed to Hillary.
Norton

Social climber
Apr 21, 2016 - 05:29pm PT
Most votes?

Well then its over, Hillary by millions has the most votes.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 21, 2016 - 05:30pm PT
Changing the rules - dem or gop - in the middle of the primaries is weak. Change them for 2020 election sure. But if this was a concern in either party it should have been addressed before 2016.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 21, 2016 - 05:35pm PT
rbord, I was mistaken...I was referring to Tad Devine's more reasoned assessment of the path forward, particularly, competing for pledged delegates.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 21, 2016 - 05:37pm PT
Let the people vote for Bernie!

He should not drop out,
he should stay in until July, and let the people vote for him just as an exercise in Democracy

I don't vote until June
Why should I be denied the freedom to vote for Bernie..
or not
no matter who is in the lead.

But they should stop attacking each other,
and focus on the general
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