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Mimi
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Mar 13, 2011 - 03:21pm PT
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It wasn't a can of beans, it was chili!
I am Spartacus!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 13, 2011 - 05:30pm PT
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Pretty darn sick if you ask me. Any shrink will tell you that public crappers have serious issues.....
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Prod
Trad climber
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Mar 13, 2011 - 09:14pm PT
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I've been told by 4 different people who the shitters were, all 4 had the same names, but I can't remember who they were.
Didn't one of them actually appoligize to the FA's?
Pretty moronic. If it was me they sh#t on, those f*#kers would have bad press until their dying day. I'd go out of my way to let the world know who they were and how they acted... Forever. Wives kids parents friends employeers enemies etc.
Prod.
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Mar 13, 2011 - 11:49pm PT
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It's pretty lame that the shitters hide, If you are a badass local and have a problem, why don't you walk up to the guys you have a problem with and face them . Tell them how it works at your "beach" if they don't comply- you pound 'em- Don't play bullSH#T games and then don't claim it- lame
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WBraun
climber
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Mar 14, 2011 - 12:04am PT
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30 years and you stupid people are still hashing out this sh'it.
You're as stupid as the sh'tters were.
And for your information they did face them "Face to face".
I never went to that stupid "face to face meeting".
I didn't didn't have anything to do with any of this stupid sh'it to warrant me needing to even go there.
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east side underground
Trad climber
Hilton crk,ca
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Mar 14, 2011 - 12:13am PT
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I did't bring this thread back - just a comment - you still seem to be playing as well - stupid is as stupid does LT. DAN
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nature
climber
Mysore Karnataka India
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Mar 14, 2011 - 09:42am PT
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more lies and slander from crowley.
though I might be a chicken I'm certainly knott a yoga hippie
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Mar 14, 2011 - 10:23am PT
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(best TV cop since Jack Webb)
The dude could sing too. Tore up a few Broadway musicals BITD. He was no rope sh!tter.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Mar 14, 2011 - 08:05pm PT
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One of the great scandals, mysteries and cover ups in American climbing history. Deserves some follow up. Someone with the sack and skill to repete the route, find out who the shitters werer and write a book with lots of cool photos....
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 14, 2011 - 09:17pm PT
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The only way to prevent rope-shitting at the base of el cap is for the Park to place giant kitty litter boxes at the start of each climb...I'm sure the guys or girls who crapped on those ropes couldn't hold back any longer....Why does everyone think it was intentional....?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Mar 14, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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Funny how some sophmoric drunken prank 28 years ago can grow into a major drama ...good entertainment value though
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marv
Mountain climber
Bay Area
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Mar 14, 2011 - 10:57pm PT
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30 years and you stupid people are still hashing out this sh'it.
You're as stupid as the sh'tters were.
And for your information they did face them "Face to face".
I never went to that stupid "face to face meeting".
I didn't didn't have anything to do with any of this stupid sh'it to warrant me needing to even go there.
Normally I'm indifferent to, or mildly dislike, Werner's posts. Not here.
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Matt
Trad climber
primordial soup
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Mar 14, 2011 - 11:02pm PT
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i just hope, if and when the 2nd does come along, that someone with opportunity (and perhaps a strong sense of irony) craps on some of their gear at the base...
just to keep the percentages going is all.
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Btown
Mountain climber
Grand Junction, CO
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May 19, 2011 - 01:18pm PT
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Haha, nobody had commented on this thread in almost two years until I posted back in march. Sorry for bringing this back up. I was sick one night and stumbled across this thread (or series of threads). It was amazingly interesting to me. Especially since Richard and Mark first did this before I was born and yet still the tale lives on. I spent four or five hours reading almost every post on the thread. As a climber with a degree in writing how could I resist such an interesting story with complex characters, numerous layers of conflict, and a complicated, unresolved, almost Post Modern "ending"?
I guess I can see both sides of this story in some way. From the local perspective, I understand the irritation when an outsider comes into your well-established scene and decides to put-up a (major) new route in their own fashion, disregarding the established local customs. There is a sort of arrogance and self-entitlement to that. Not that that is what Richard and Mark did, exactly, but I could see how people got that impression. On the other hand, here are two guys with some big wall skill (I think it's safe to say) who felt compelled to leave their own mark on the greatest big wall in the world. Haven't many of us at some point felt a similar sort of ambition? When they arrived on the scene they were met with unexpected levels of hostility, scrutiny, and downright immaturity (sorry but crapping on someone's climbing rope is pretty middle schoolerish). When they completed their route, instead of receiving the glory they'd hoped, they instead were deeply criticized for next two or three decades. Wow!!!
What amazes me the most is how much bitterness over this there still seems to be. I think we can all look back at ourselves three decades ago (or for those of us that havent been alive that long, even one decade ago) and shake our heads at the things we did and said. We should be able to forgive ourselves and each other for the past. You know what would be great is if Richard and Mark and whoever the Shitter is could all come out and admit the truth and have a good laugh about it together because for God's sake, it was 29 years ago! But alas, what do I know? I wasnt and still am not involved in the Yosemite scene, so I maybe I dont understand the local culture.
One last word, and I'll go back to passive lingering on this thread. Somebody needs to get up there and SA this route! I know many people criticize WoS as a crappy, slabby route or whatever, but it seems like, given the amount of attention this route has generated over the years, an ascent would be well worth the time and adventure. And besides, maybe this is just me being a big wall gumby, but it's El Cap. How bad can the route be? I guess as the climbing world shifts away from the glory days of big wall aid and towards the new age of free climbing a SA of WoS gets less and less likely with each passing season.
Anyway, I apologize for the lengthy post and for bringing this topic back to the top yet again. Cheers from Colorado, and Happy Climbing to all.
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Btown
Mountain climber
Grand Junction, CO
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May 19, 2011 - 01:31pm PT
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Actually there are four threads and none of them had been posted on in that amount of time. I couldn't care less about "striking gold". I actually havent even been back to this site since then. You seem rather unpleasant. I admitted to being a newb and I dont care. I love to climb and that's all that matters to me. If you dislike this thread so much, why even post? If my post offends you so much then you need to get a more interesting life
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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May 19, 2011 - 02:18pm PT
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Ending? What ending? We will only have a partial resolution after someone makes a second ascent.
One of Richard's and Mark's loudest detractors stated a few years ago that he would make the second ascent, but he hasn't. Queries repeated from time to time have resulted in nothing but crickets.
Rumour has it another team is hoping to have a go at it sooner rather than later.
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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May 19, 2011 - 02:24pm PT
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Who was that again, Pete? Why didn't he go up on it? I seem to remember something about someone being very forceful about it....
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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May 19, 2011 - 04:19pm PT
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One of Richard's and Mark's loudest detractors stated a few years ago that he would make the second ascent, but he hasn't.
buy him the snaileye t-shirt....
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WBraun
climber
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May 19, 2011 - 05:05pm PT
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The rooot (route) will never be done again.
It's gone.
All the hook moves have been washed away ......
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graniteclimber
Trad climber
The Illuminati -- S.P.E.C.T.R.E. Division
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May 19, 2011 - 05:12pm PT
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One of Richard's and Mark's loudest detractors stated a few years ago that he would make the second ascent, but he hasn't. Queries repeated from time to time have resulted in nothing but crickets.
Maybe's the ex-participants have have moved on and decided that there are more important things in life.
They've moved on.
Looks like the peanut gallery is trying to goad the ex-participants into resuming the fight.
I hope they don't fall for it.
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