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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 20, 2016 - 07:46pm PT
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These stupid politards on this forum have been taking it up their asses for so long by their leaders...
Wait, aren't you a fed?
I took an ambulance ride to an overnight stay in the ER last month where I got an EKG, an xray, two CAT scans and an IV - total bill: $20k. My part after insurance? $13k. Insanity.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 20, 2016 - 09:26pm PT
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Here's a comparison from personal experience. My wife & I have 2 sons. One was born in a suburb of Munich, Germany in 1985 and the other was born in Berkeley CA in 1989. Both were C-sections without any complications.
The Germany hospital stay was 18 days and cost ~$2,500. We paid the doctor 2 years later.
The Berkeley hospital stay was 4 days and cost > $10,000. My wife asked for an itemized bill from the Berkeley hospital and found several thousand dollars of errors including charges for medication and services that she never received. The $10,000 total was after the errors were deducted.
Hmmm....yet, many illegals give birth in the US for...absolutely free. Perhaps moving to Germany is a good solution (and "enjoying" some other aspects of Germany, exactly the ones that make people go for America, hell or high water). In Soviet Union the bill would have been $0, by the way.
Read an article about Sanders being thrown out of a hippie commune, by the way; he came there to research....natural birth. And was thrown out for doing no chores, just distracting people with his blah-blah-blah (so they didn't work either). A fully grown 30-year old male, not a medical professional...doing articles on "natural birth", in communes...waffling around,freeloading obviously...now a wannabe president to "break up big banks"...what??... he's way, way out there...even more of a total basket case than I originally thought.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 20, 2016 - 10:14pm PT
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http://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
In Sanders’ article, previously digitized by Mother Jones, he criticized old methods of childrearing, where “infants were bottle fed on assembly line schedules designed by assembly line doctors in order to prepare them for assembly line society.” In Sanders’ view, natural childbirth was a step toward a more authentic society. “All of life is one and if we want to know, for example, how our nation can napalm children in Vietnam—AND NOT CARE—it is necessary to go well beyond ‘politics,’” he wrote.
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Apr 21, 2016 - 01:21am PT
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My part after insurance? $13k. Insanity.
So, you have a huge deductible?
Courtesy of Obamacare?
Yup, insanity.
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7SacredPools
Trad climber
Ontario, Canada
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Apr 21, 2016 - 04:24am PT
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I'd see $20,000 for what Healyje describes as the "insanity" part.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 21, 2016 - 04:42am PT
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All right ,WE lost,but......
http://reverbpress.com/politics/5-reasons-why-bernie-sanders-should-fight-on-until-the-convention/
And
http://realtimepolitics.com/2016/04/21/bernie-sanders-will-now-be-a-democrat-and-will-support-clinton-if-she-gets-the-nom-video/
I went to vote in a small upstate town where I live.
18 of us together,12 of us were allowed to vote.
6 had to fill out a "provisional ballot".
574 people voted in that town.
172 provisional ballots were filled out.
They will never be counted.
Primaries are funded by us taxpayers and should be Open.
Democracy must be preserved.
“While I congratulate Secretary Clinton, I must say that I am really concerned about the conduct of the voting process in New York State," Bernie Sanders said. "I remain also concerned that in a state as large as New York almost 30 percent of the eligible voters, some 3 million New Yorkers, were unable to vote today because they had registered as independents, not Democrats or Republicans, and that makes no sense."
Senator Bernie Sanders.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Apr 21, 2016 - 05:57am PT
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Why does Bernie's revolution depend on winning the White House?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Apr 21, 2016 - 06:25am PT
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madbolter posted So, you have a huge deductible?
Courtesy of Obamacare?
Yup, insanity.
One advantage of Obamacare: insurance companies can scapegoat the government for all of the crap that they have been doing for decades even though the law actually reduced how much they could get away with.
crank posted Why does Bernie's revolution depend on winning the White House?
It doesn't and he knows it doesn't but his shtick relies on maintaining the illusion that it does and that liberals still think the President is omnipotent.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Apr 21, 2016 - 06:33am PT
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If he stays in the senate and his legions of young, enthusiastic supporters are dedicated to his agenda, can't he start a movement like the tea party? A better one, of course.
Also, curious about this...would choosing Elizabeth Warren as her VP appeal to Bernie's supporters?
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Curt
climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
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Apr 21, 2016 - 07:28am PT
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"I remain also concerned that in a state as large as New York almost 30 percent of the eligible voters, some 3 million New Yorkers, were unable to vote today because they had registered as independents, not Democrats or Republicans, and that makes no sense."
What makes no sense is the idea that people not in a political party should have a say about who that party's candidate should be. That is absolutely crazy, in fact.
Curt
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Apr 21, 2016 - 08:09am PT
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As much as I'm a fan of Bernie, I do think it's silly of folks not registered with a party to expect to have a say in that party.
I changed to democrat months ago just so I could support Bernie in the primary that is still more than a month away for me.
Independent folks that wanted Bernie, shame on you for not changing your voter registration earlier.
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Escopeta
Trad climber
Idaho
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Apr 21, 2016 - 08:19am PT
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John Scott has a better chance of being elected president than Bernie Sanders. That being said, he'd probably do a heck a better job anyway.
My part after insurance? $13k. Insanity.
I'm sure the government will take care of that for you.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 21, 2016 - 08:52am PT
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So, you have a huge deductible?
Courtesy of Obamacare?
Yup, insanity.
No. I have an independent policy from Regence BCBS that was auto-shifted to a new plan at the start of the year. The new plan covered the ER, but the hospital I was taken to was out-of-network (despite being the largest in town) so when they put me in the room next to ER overnight all the charges were out-of-network. I have an appeal in given I wasn't conscious to make any decision about where I was admitted.
I'm sure the government will take care of that for you.
Why the f*#k would you think that? I mean, there is mechanism that I know of for how that would happen? The point is there is no reason on earth an overnight stay in the ER, where they do nothing beyond diagnostics, should cost $20k.
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wilbeer
Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
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Apr 21, 2016 - 08:53am PT
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Independent folks that wanted Bernie, shame on you for not changing your voter registration earlier.
I agree.
I do not think that is the case over here.
Go Hillary!
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 21, 2016 - 09:22am PT
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Go Hillary!
Welcome aboard!!!
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madbolter1
Big Wall climber
Denver, CO
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Apr 21, 2016 - 09:34am PT
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I'd see $20,000 for what Healyje describes as the "insanity" part.
That's a huge part of the insanity too. Something that Obamacare's "reform," you know, the "AFFORDABLE CARE" part of the "act," just never seemed to get around to doing.
One advantage of Obamacare: insurance companies can scapegoat the government for all of the crap that they have been doing for decades even though the law actually reduced how much they could get away with.
Hmmm... so the insurance companies were the ones lobbying hardest to get Obamacare (for what are now obvious reasons), and the DEMS handed us to them on a silver platter, and government is NOT to blame for this?
For all the Democratic appeals to regulate, the hypocrisy in this case is pretty epic.
"Affordable." Yeah, right.
Well, Bernie's not gonna make it unless Clinton is indicted (fat chance), so single-payer isn't gonna happen, which means we'll be left with some close approximation of Obamacare for the long haul.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Apr 21, 2016 - 09:37am PT
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Curt posted What makes no sense is the idea that people not in a political party should have a say about who that party's candidate should be. That is absolutely crazy, in fact.
Yes and no. There are really good, really conflicting interests here. On one hand, our constitution essentially requires a two party system and excluding people from having a say in the selection of a candidate effectively disenfranchises them from what we currently think of as an important part of the presidential selection process. On the other hand, we have a constitutionally protected freedom to associate and organizations are allowed to choose how they operate. It shouldn't be surprising that the people who spend 100% of their time making a party work should want a say in who their party pours all their resources into becoming it's next leader.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 21, 2016 - 09:41am PT
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The point is there is no reason on earth an overnight stay in the ER, where they do nothing beyond diagnostics, should cost $20k.
Absolutely true. However, the basket case from land of Oz aka Sanders would not be able to fix this consequence of medical mafia monopoly. This is an unfortunate situation that requires to be carefully addressed by someone with a little more experience than lifetime of freeloading. I had not heard any sensible comments on this situation from any candidates, including Sanders.
There's another side to this:
people are too used to "I can do anything, any risky activity and expect society to rescue me for free and pay lifetime of welfare and medical care for me" (or course, at someone else's expense). As someone who fell to this mentality before and went through a bad fall with severe injuries and miraculous recovery (not a dime of public money was received)....this is irresponsible. If one climbs, they should have a damn good insurance or should NOT climb...OR be ready to die after they fall, without asking anyone for a dime, if they can't afford to bear financial burden.
Be realistic: when you climb beyond secure environment of the gym (which carries own accident insurance) your medical insurance SHOULD be very expensive. Put your self in the insurer's place: they're not a charity.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 21, 2016 - 09:59am PT
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fasIn Sanders’ article, previously digitized by Mother Jones, he criticized old methods of childrearing, where “infants were bottle fed on assembly line schedules designed by assembly line doctors in order to prepare them for assembly line society.” In Sanders’ view, natural childbirth was a step toward a more authentic society. “All of life is one and if we want to know, for example, how our nation can napalm children in Vietnam—AND NOT CARE—it is necessary to go well beyond ‘politics,’” he wrote.
Aside from wonders of "natural birth" (absolutely unsupervised by unnecessary medical doctors and therefore carrying no expenses...until things go really, really wrong), in which Sanders is apparently an expert (just like in all matters of the world finance and politics), he also published an article where he'd expertly stated that cancer is caused by people being "sexually repressed". Ah the flying over the cockoo nest... This is from the series "Wall Street is causing me not to take showers"
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 21, 2016 - 12:25pm PT
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Time will tell whether Bernie can carry on his "revolution" if he doesn't make it to the WH. In the meantime, the War of Ideas continues...
Also, curious about this...would choosing Elizabeth Warren as her VP appeal to Bernie's supporters? Yes definitely. Also Tulsi Gabbard would be a great choice too.
Here once again, Wolfman demonstrates what a hack of a "journalist" he is...
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