The Massive Ark on the Moon (very OT, but of high interest)

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Klimmer

Mountain climber

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2016 - 06:46pm PT

G-d and free will.

We do have free will. My Rabbi explained it like this to me ...

Imagine a huge ship with many different levels/floors. The ship will leave a certain port on time and on schedule. It will arrive at another port on time and on schedule. We are all on board that ship as it travels. This is G-d's will and we can't do anything about that.

However, we have the freedom of the entire ship along this journey. We can self determine using our free will to spend the entire time in the hottest, dirtiest, part of the ship down at the bottom slaving our lives away in the engine room, a living hell if you can imagine or ...

We can choose to stay top side in the Sun enjoying life, family, friends, loved ones and doing things together having a blast and enjoying G-d's presence in our lives.

There are many different levels we can choose to be along this journey. We have the choice. We can be where ever we want to be on the ship.

What we can't choose is the fact that we are on the ship. On the journey. G-d gives us life. G-d chose that for us. We choose what to do with this life. We will go from port to port along this journey. There is a beginning to this journey and there is an ultimate end and destination. G-d told us what that would be. Read the end of The Book of Revelation.

monolith

climber

state of being

Apr 18, 2016 - 06:55pm PT

It's not surprising you would accept such a sloppy explanation from your Rabbi.

If god knows everything, he knows what choices you will make on the 'ship'.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2016 - 06:59pm PT

Skeptic,

G-d has done that. He gave us the most popular best seller ever in the History of Earth, The Holy Bible. All we have to do is read it and study it. Know it. Make it a part of our hearts and G-d's living word will change you for the better and save you.

The proof over and over is prophecy fulfilled to the letter. He told us about these things thousands of years ago and gave us intricate detail of what would happen. And when it does, happen as he foretold, then our faith is confirmed and strengthened. He gives us plenty of evidence. You just have to be hungry enough to want to know and look for it.

To overwhelm everyone with absolute undeniable proof and all at once, would overwhelm mankind. We wouldn't be able to take it. He would rather you want to seek after him because that's what you want. You want to know G-d. He doesn't want to overwhelm and step all over your free-will. He wants us to want to know him, and seek after him, and love him because that's what we truly want.

G-d said knock on the door, and it will be opened unto you.

monolith

climber

state of being

Apr 18, 2016 - 07:02pm PT

What garbage.

Winemaker

Sport climber

Yakima, WA

Apr 18, 2016 - 07:43pm PT

Klimmer, this pretty much says it way better than I can. From Catch 22, Yossarian and Lt. Scheisskopf’s wife are spending Thanksgiving in bed and having a discussion about God:

“And don’t tell me God works in mysterious way,” Yossarian continued, hurtling over her objection. “There’s nothing so mysterious about it. He’s not working at all. He’s playing. Or else He’s forgotten all about us. That’s the kind of God you people talk about – a country bumpkin, a clumsy, bungling, brainless, conceited, uncouth hayseed. Good God, how much reverence can you have for a Supreme Being who finds it necessary to include such phenomena as phlegm and tooth decay in His divine system of creation? What in the world was running through that warped, evil, scatological mind of his when He robbed old people of the power to control their bowel movements? Why in the world did He ever create pain?”

“Pain?” Lieutenant Scheisskopf’s wife pounced upon the word victoriously. “Pain is a useful symptom. Pain is a warning to us of bodily dangers.”

“And who created the dangers?” Yossarian demanded. He laughed caustically. “Oh, He was really being charitable to us when He gave us pain! Why couldn’t He have used a doorbell instead to notify us, or one of His celestial choirs? Or a system of blue-and-red neon tubes right in the middle of each person’s forehead. Any jukebox manufacturer worth his salt could have done that. Why couldn’t He?”

“People would certainly look silly walking around with red neon tubes in the middle of their foreheads.”

“They certainly look beautiful now writhing in agony or stupefied with morphine, don’t they? What a colossal, immoral blunderer! When you consider the opportunity and power He had to really do a job, and then look at the stupid, ugly little mess He made of it instead. His sheer incompetence is almost staggering. It’s obvious He never met a payroll. Why, no self-respecting businessman would hire a bungler like Him as even a shipping clerk!”

Lieutenant Sccheisskopf’s wife had turned ashen in disbelief and was ogling him with alarm. “You’d better not talk that way about Him, honey,” she warned him reprovingly in a low and hostile voice. “He might punish you.”

“Isn’t he punishing me enough?” Yossarian snorted resentfully. “You know, we mustn’t let him get away with it. Oh no, we certainly mustn’t let Him get away scot-free for all the sorrow He’s caused us. Someday I’m going to make Him pay. I know when. On the Judgment Day. Yes, that’s the day I’ll be close enough to reach out and grab that little yokel by His neck and-“

“Stop it! Stop it!” Lieutenant Scheisskopf’s wife screamed suddenly, and began beating him ineffectually about the head with both fists. “Stop it!”

Yossarian ducked behind his arm for protection while she slammed away at him in feminine fury for a few seconds , and then he caught her determinedly by the wrists and forced her gently back down on the bed. “What the hell are you getting so upset about?” he asked her bewilderingly in a tone of contrite amusement. “I thought you didn’t believe in God.”

“I don’t,” she sobbed, bursting violently into tears. “But the God I don’t believe in is a good God, a just God, a merciful God. He’s not the mean and stupid God you make Him out to be.”

Pretty much says it all. Thanks to Joseph Heller for expressing it so well. Any spelling errors are mine. Klimmer, if you haven't read it you should, it will open your eyes (well, honestly, doubtful of that).

Edit: I spent a lot of time finding and typing this, so give me some credit for that. This was really, really hard work.

Skeptimistic

Mountain climber

La Mancha

Apr 18, 2016 - 07:45pm PT

Uh-huh. Baloney. So this god-thingy wants us to worship it, yet it is afraid that we'd be utterly incapacitated were it to unequivocably reveal itself in time to save us from a horrific eternal fate, but it has no worries we'll be overwhelmed when the apocalypse comes down. Seems logical enough :-/

Winemaker

Sport climber

Yakima, WA

Apr 18, 2016 - 08:00pm PT

Klimmer, how does this all tie into the Giant (sorry, Massive) Ark on the Moon? I'm losing track, with all the Birdmen (and Birdwomen) of Machu Picha, giant eggs, comets, et al. Is the Giant (Massive, although actually no one has measured its mass; maybe as an alien artifact it is massless, assuming it actually exists) Ark on the Moon sent by God, or is it aliens who are supposed to deliver some message, or exactly what? Randisi, you have a clear head and seem to have some connection with the nephilim, maybe you can link this together. Please.

Klimmer

Mountain climber

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 18, 2016 - 08:28pm PT

TGo back to the beginning of this thread. There is a book published regarding the whole NASA Apollo 20 story as related by Cmdr. William Rutledge. Is the whole story fake? Could be. Is the massive mothership there on the backside of the Moon? Yes. It's in too many official NASA images, many of which are stereograms and it can be seen clearly in 3D.

What is it? Who are they? Not my original hypothesis, but I agree with it. There was a war. A crashed ship. Were the Nephilim, many of which are giants but not all are giants, trying to escape Earth? Were they trying to go somewhere and escape? Were they trying to escape Earth being destroyed by flood? Were the Angels of the Lord in battle with them? The Nephilim are the off-spring of fallen man and fallen angels. The worst of both. Large, very intelligent, very strong, and very evil. Read The Book of Enoch. Nephilim means the fallen ones.

The Bible enumerates many stories of the Angels of G-d battling the fallen angels that went with Satan. Was this another battle between the Angels of Light fighting against the progeny of Darkness? Maybe. Timeline not exactly sure. There were civilizations of Angels across the "Stones of Fire", the planets, before G-d out of anger against Satan brought it all to an end. This was long before modern man was on the face of the Earth. We are talking millions, perhaps billions of years ago. Recall the Angels watched the formation of the Universe, read The Book of Job. They existed before the Big Bang,13.7 Billion users ago or so.

monolith

climber

state of being

Apr 18, 2016 - 08:33pm PT

Love the fairy tales.

brotherbbock

climber

Alta Loma, CA

Apr 18, 2016 - 09:13pm PT

Klimmer,

How can you say those nasa images are definitive proof. I've looked at your weblinks and the photos and I was never overwhelmed with certainty.

I come from a geology background and I've seen many aerials, stereograms, and map projections. Those images are grainy and inconclusive at best.

People also thought Enceladus was a mother ship in orbit around Saturn. Lo and behold it was just an icy moon with a really high albedo. Occcams razor wins every time with time. Time will prove there is no ark on the moon.

Unless aliens have already made side deals with the government and there is a major cover up conspiracy we will find out the truth one day.

MisterE

Gym climber

Small Town with a Big Back Yard

Apr 18, 2016 - 09:24pm PT

Imagine a huge ship with many different levels/floors. The ship will leave a certain port on time and on schedule. It will arrive at another port on time and on schedule. We are all on board that ship as it travels. This is G-d's will and we can't do anything about that.

However, we have the freedom of the entire ship along this journey. We can self determine using our free will to spend the entire time in the hottest, dirtiest, part of the ship down at the bottom slaving our lives away in the engine room, a living hell if you can imagine or ...

This verifies that I don't give a ship.

Phantom X

Trad climber

Honeycomb Hideout

Apr 18, 2016 - 10:00pm PT

The commodes on the Massive Ark measure twenty cubits long by eighteen cubits wide by sixteen cubits deep.

BLUEBLOCR

Social climber

joshua tree

Apr 18, 2016 - 10:23pm PT

^^^that's funny

Winemaker

Sport climber

Yakima, WA

Apr 18, 2016 - 10:31pm PT

Klimmer, really, read your own stuff. You've fallen down the rabbit hole and you can't get up. There is no hope for you, unless your god (in Her infinite wisdom) spares you and redeems you to the truth of your existence.

Edit: Did you read my post above in regards to the nature of god? What are your thoughts?

MisterE

Gym climber

Small Town with a Big Back Yard

Apr 18, 2016 - 10:45pm PT

^^Winemaker has at least one awesome bicep:

you should listen to him, Klimmer..

rmuir

Social climber

From the Time Before the Rocks Cooled.

Apr 19, 2016 - 04:12pm PT

Sure, why not?

Crackpot Creationist Says Stonehenge Built by Race of Satanic Giants
By Hrafnkell Haraldsson on Sat, Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:57 am
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/04/16/crackpot-creationist-stonehenge-built-race-satanic-giants.html
Satan needed a base from which to attack Israel and this makes sense because the Salisbury Plain is so close to Israel...oh wait...

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“He build his little squatter’s hut up there on the Temple Mount, you know that temple, because he knows what the Bible says about that place. I weaved through why and what is the evidence for giant beings on this earth. We all know about Stonehenge, right? That’s just one of hundreds and hundreds of gigantic places around the world that testify that some sort of supernatural power or giants were involved in its construction.”

Winemaker

Sport climber

Yakima, WA

Apr 19, 2016 - 05:26pm PT

Geez rmuir, do we really need Satanic Giants to build Stonehenge (not that I doubt the veracity of this video guy, of course - it's on youtube!!!)? Here's a video (also on youtube) of a guy building huge stony stuff in his backyard without any Giants, Satanic or not, using human power and wood. Klimmer, let's apply Occam's razor to this problem and see how it shaves out.

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This is actually pretty cool.