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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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Apr 24, 2009 - 10:50am PT
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i won't criticize obama for "meeting" with china or russia...i will criticize him for kissing the asses of two-bit despots who repeatedly threaten or condemn america...and i'll criticize him for treating these two-bit despots with more respect than he does our most stalwart allies (great britain, israel, etc.)
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 24, 2009 - 07:20pm PT
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i know you libs care deeply about what "the world" thinks of us; well, here's the uk:
"That is why he opened Pandora’s Box by publishing the Justice Department’s legal opinions on waterboarding and other hardline interrogation techniques. He cynically subordinated the national interest to his partisan desire to embarrass the Republicans. Then he had to rush to Langley, Virginia to try to reassure a demoralised CIA that had just discovered the President of the United States was an even more formidable foe than al-Qaeda…
Obama promised his CIA audience that nobody would be prosecuted for past actions. That has already been contradicted by leftist groups with a revanchist ambition to put Republicans, headed if possible by Condoleezza Rice, in the dock. Talk about playing party politics with national security. Martin Scheinin, the United Nations special investigator for human rights, claims that senior figures, including former vice president Dick Cheney, could face prosecution overseas. Ponder that - once you have got over the difficulty of locating the United Nations and human rights within the same dimension.
President Pantywaist Obama should have thought twice before sitting down to play poker with Dick Cheney."
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2009/04/24/barack_obama_and_the_cia_why_does_president_pantywaist_hate_america_so_badly
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 24, 2009 - 07:23pm PT
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"i won't criticize obama for "meeting" with china or russia...i will criticize him for kissing the asses of two-bit despots who repeatedly threaten or condemn america...and i'll criticize him for treating these two-bit despots with more respect than he does our most stalwart allies (great britain, israel, etc.) "
Ugh dude seriously. You wonder why people don't respect your opinions. More respect than Britain or Israel? Cause he shook Chavez's hand and smiled?
And weren't you the guy posting the cartoon all worried about "world opinion" in the other thread? Or was that Bizzaro-Bookworm?
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 26, 2009 - 10:27am PT
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yes, high, obama's treatment of gordon brown on his first visit to the us and the statement from an obama state department official that the uk is no more important that any of the other 190 nations is far less respectful than listening to a two-bit latin american despot disparage the us for nearly an hour only to thank said despot for not blaming obama personally for the bay of pigs...and it's less respectful than obama's multiple pics of him shaking hands and, apparently, joking around, and accepting as a "nice gesture" a book that blames america for all of latin america's problems from another two-bit despot
i don't care what "the world" thinks of america because i know the vast majority of people who care one way or another want to live in america because of the freedom and opportunity...and most of them actually want to BE americans
had three german au pairs in a toproping class yesterday...none of them have the slightest desire to return to germany, as they themselves said (in their rather cute german accents), "america has far more opportunity than any place in europe...we can go to school here and study what we want and we can work toward a career...and americans are so much nicer...everybody in germany wants to come to america"
but you go right on believing what hugo and raul/fidel and danny say...and, of course, sean penn and janeane garofolo and danny glover and madonna, etc.
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 26, 2009 - 10:34am PT
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Everybody in Germany wants to come to America? What the ?? Thats a little bit of a far fetched statement. Maybe on vacation......?
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Chinchen
climber
Living on the road
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Apr 26, 2009 - 11:01am PT
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The sad part of this thread and everyones views is that none of them matter. You are all slaves and whores to the united states gov no matter who you support. Do you know why you have a SS#? A marriage license? You are the property of the government, and so are your children.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 26, 2009 - 11:35am PT
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obama claims to be a "constitutional scholar"...good choice for somebody who wants to take away civil rights:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5214985/Barack-Obama-administration-seeks-to-change-police-questioning-law.html
of course, the worst part of this is how it would destroy so much suspense in tv crime shows...
crime shows now:
detective: "ok, scumbag, your alibi doesn't hold up. tell us where you really were."
scumbag: "i want a lawyer"
crime shows after obama's interference:
detective: "ok, scumbag, your alibi doesn't hold up. tell us where you really were."
scumbag: "i confess"
director: "wait, we still have 37 minutes of airtime to fill"
producer: "we'll just throw in few more viagra ads"
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Studly
Trad climber
WA
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Apr 26, 2009 - 03:08pm PT
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how right you are Dean. It was total blind stupidity following Bush that got us into all this mess.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 26, 2009 - 04:27pm PT
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"I don't know that the Bush supporters have this sort of emotionality which I am referencing. I don't even know that the vast majority were blindly following Bush. I know I was not. I viewed him as the lesser of two evils replete with a whole host of flaws concerning which I would be the first person to tell you about. "
You're right they weren't emotional at all. We just went through 8 years of calm, rational thinking not in any way influenced or motivated by fear.
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dirtbag
climber
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Apr 27, 2009 - 01:01pm PT
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yawn
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 27, 2009 - 01:08pm PT
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"They emotionally and blindly defend the person (be it the guru or, in this case, Obama) beyond all measure of reality. I have noticed that tenor on this forum for some time now and I suspect it is ubiquitous among the Obama supporters."
No, you are just believing the right wing media BS spin because they repeat it over an over. But it's a good line and easy to fall for.
I didn't vote for Obama, I thought McCain was a pretty good choice too (until he brought on Palin). But I have been very impressed with the majority of Obama actions so far. He seems to be governing from the center, with intelligence, and pragmaticism. When I hear the liberals and the conservatives are pissed at Obama, I think "great he's probably doing the right thing".
The biggest thing I'm worried about is the added national debt. But if Obama can half the deficit by the end of his first term, his ideas will have proved reasonable and he will get re-elected.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 27, 2009 - 05:19pm PT
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i think this statement clearly sums up obama's understanding of economics:
"And yet, in a paradox of American life, at the very moment it's never been more important to have a quality higher education, the cost of that kind of education has never been higher"
obama doesn't understand why something that "has never been more important" would also be more expensive...maybe that's why he took money away from poor kids who were using it to attend the same school his own kids attend
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 28, 2009 - 10:55am PT
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will anybody get fired for this idiotic stunt?
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/28/postscript-what-should-obamas-next-photo-op-be/
watch that plane slowly circle the ny skyline and listen as somebody in the background screams "oh my god!" and picture in your mind again the horror of that day 7 years ago...now think, if you could go back and stop 9/11 simply by pouring water into some guy's nose, would you do it?
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apogee
climber
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Apr 28, 2009 - 11:58am PT
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HW Dean-
There is always a degree of 'irrational exuberance' for any political figure on either side of the aisle, especially when times are difficult, and the current leadership has deteriorated in the eyes of the populace. On the left, during the campaign, Obama has inspired the same level of excitement that Reagan did (and still does) on the right. As you said, the truth about a given candidate is usually somewhere in between.
Your comments go on to characterize Obama supporters as 'cultist' and sinister- I assure you, I and many others feel the same way about Reagan (or Bush, but that's easy to understand). The only reason you see Obama's following as suspicious is because you are on the other side of the political fence. For you (or any other GOP-ster) to characterize this as suspicious belies your own tendency to do the same thing when the leadership is in your party, and places you in a very glass house casting stones. Most importantly, it is silly and very moot.
Instead, how about focussing on the issues and how they are being addressed (or not)?
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the Fet
Supercaliyosemistic climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Apr 28, 2009 - 01:00pm PT
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President Barack Obama has an approval rating of 68 percent, a higher figure than his predecessor had at his 100-day mark in office.
The nationwide poll of almost 1,000 adults from April 22-26 shows widespread support for how Obama has addressed issues, including whether Congress should investigate interrogation methods authorized by former President George W. Bush.
Bush had an approval rating of 56 percent at this point in his first term in a similar survey.
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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Apr 28, 2009 - 07:51pm PT
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what happens if you throw a nationalized health care party and no doctors show up?
no worries, obama has the answer:
"To cope with the growing shortage, federal officials are considering several proposals. One would increase enrollment in medical schools and residency training programs. Another would encourage greater use of nurse practitioners and physician assistants. A third would expand the National Health Service Corps, which deploys doctors and nurses in rural areas and poor neighborhoods"
not enough doctors? no problem, we'll make more (sounds like his answer to the debt problem, huh)...what's the best way to increase the number of doctors? lower standards for admission to medical school...or allow non-doctors to perform tasks previously permitted only for doctors...but don't worry, these extra doctors will only be treating the poor because who cares about them anyway
can you say soviet health system, boys and girls? read solzhenitsen's "cancer ward" if you don't understand
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
Arid-zona
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Apr 28, 2009 - 07:53pm PT
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bookworm: using SuperTopo for a LIttle Green Footballs mirror site since 2006
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