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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Aug 31, 2008 - 04:24am PT
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She obviously has good taste in men;...she married someone named Todd.....that ROCKS!...now let's get those teachers a pay raise, honeybunch..........cupcake, ...angelfood......lambchop............muffin......buttercup....
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 31, 2008 - 05:23am PT
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Jeez Skip, I'm flabbergasted. I was only mentioning that after reading a number of posts on several threads that I am not impressed with McCain's choice of Palin.
I also commented that Lois has attracted flak from a number of Supertopians (as much as TradIsGood's son and Crowley have, for example - but at least they are or were climbers). Look at how many posts she has contributed for the little amount of time she has been on the forum (especially for a non-climber with no immediate relations who are climbers). And for the most part, she argues with just about everybody, excluding the likes of you (give it time).
To me that smacks of a troll. Or a very sad person.
As far as Fattrad's 'Clash' threads are concerned, even you must admit that it is a bit of ad nauseam.
Though of course, you like Jeff's 'Clash' threads because they fit in with your political beliefs. And I can't help but wonder that your (stated) attraction to LEB's beliefs might expose a bit of, shall we say... perhaps it is better left unsaid if you are a married man.
I don’t consider myself a policeman, moderator, or king of this forum. And I am sure that if you were to trawl (that’s trawl, not troll) on most Supertopians’ posts you might find a bit of indignation (for better lack of words).
Don’t make yourself look like a twit, you wouldn’t like it (I can speak from first-hand experience). ;-)
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 09:08am PT
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Obama would have been smart to pick Hilary. They virtually stand for the same ideas. I have to agree, though, that once the shock of a hottie being nominated for vice president wears off and its revealed she's really nothing more than a pretty face used to garner female votes, it'll be realized she has no qualifications...at least at the vp, president level. No f*#king way. Hilary Clinton she's not.
she is hot though, creationist ideals aside.
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Aug 31, 2008 - 11:37am PT
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For what it's worth: As I cruise about all over the various sites left to right, the Palin selection is playing well with the country. So, on the whole, it's positive. The left is frantic trying to laugh it off; the right is gleeful.
Zogby, today, if I interpret his poll correctly, has McCain/Palin over Obama/Biden by a couple of points. This means Obama lost the bump from the convention plus a couple of more points; however, I prefer Gallup/Rassmussen; and they haven't come out yet. One more week should give us a better take on the Palin selection.
It might be the Dems should stop laughing and get serious about this.
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Terry
climber
Spokane
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:03pm PT
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I'm re-posting my thoughts here from the 'Just Wondering' Thread they are imo pertinent here as well.
Desert wrote: " I don't expect you to NOT like her, but I could take you a lot more seriously if you actually waited a few weeks to get to know her before you all decided that she was the greatest thing that ever happened to the GOP.
I mean let's be honest here...at this point the idea that you are making any kind of rational judgment regarding this race is completely out the window. It's emotion and emotion alone."
Thats pretty funny as it really describes what every lib posting here is doing. They have no idea who she is but they are blasting her. And here are the things they have againist her
No experience - ironic since they give Obama a pass on this one. And she has every bit as much experience if not more than Obama. This is at least a wash.
She's just a pretty face - I can't believe my freakin' ears. Where are all the feminists crying foul - oh yeah, they don't have principles, just an agenda.
Her poor handicapped son will be neglected - OMFG - Ditto above. The Fems should be going Apeshnit over this one.
She's was the mayor of a town of 9000 - And??? What if we hammered Obama because he was once the captain of the chess club when he was in grade school???? What a stupid argument. Everyone has a path to get where they have been. She's now the governor of a State. Obama is a Senator who has done nothing but campaign since elected. She's actually DONE something.
McCain's Choice was purely political - And Biden wasn't???
I could go on but you get my point.
In fairness, when I first heard the news Palin was picked I was flabbergasted too. I knew practically nothing about her. Looking at her record I like what I see - Conservative but not an ideologue, tough and willing to stand up to the entrenched powers, principled with great values. But the best is that I really believe she means what she said - unlike every other politician I hear. And she has a track record that legitimizes that belief. If you haven't heard her acceptance speech you need to.
This was a brilliant choice. It will win over those women who were voting for Hillary because she was a woman. It will bring the social conservatives back into the fold and it will hearten the independents who now have two mavericks to vote for. All the Libs who are laughing are doing so either because they don't know that the sky just fell on 'em or they are trying not cry
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WoodySt
Trad climber
Riverside
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:19pm PT
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Nailed it Terry.
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:21pm PT
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Woo Hoo 420. Now if your ready to take a break from this circle jerk check out the Naked Edge BASE jump thread.
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UncleDoug
Social climber
N. lake Tahoe
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:26pm PT
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I love it.
Republicans/right leaners trying to tell Democrats/left leaners how they feel about Palin and how/why they will react the way the Republicans/right leaners want them to.
And these same people come all un-glued when similar analysis comes from a Democrat/left leaner.
Everyone is sharing the same set of shoes, and it shows. Everyone reeks of the same stench.
I think Palin could be a boone for McCain.
But it could come back to bite his ass, as in attack dog. If she is supposed to be the "attack dog" she will end up coming off like a BITCH, and no one can stand a BITCH for too long. This is in conjunction with many other issues already posted in regards to her ability to pick up the ball when McCain's ticker gives out in office.
I can understand why McCain chose here(trying to shore up deficiencies), but I think it was not a good-for-the-long-term or good-for-the-country choice.
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Terry
climber
Spokane
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:38pm PT
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Well we sure have put up with Hillary for a long time, there goes that argument.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:43pm PT
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Cool, if she has enough experience for you right leaners, then I suppose that means that so does Obama. So one of your main arguments against Obama is now a non argument. Thanks...
Though I fully disagree with the notion that she has as much experience as Obama. I would say that Obama is considerably ahead.
But then yall probably think the U of Idaho is on par with Columbia University or of Harvard.
Or being mayor of a town of 7000 is on par with being a state legislature.
Or being governor of a state with 670,000 people for one and a half years is on par with being a senator.
Sure, I understand, you have nothing but contempt for congress, so I can understand why you have little respect for the position. But it is national politics and that is quite a bit tougher then state politics and involves having a grasp of world politics, which a state Governor of a state with only 670,000 people does not. ( remember, she admitted to knowing nothing about Iraq, whereas Obama knew from the beginning that Iraq would be a debacle. )
But thanks anyway for settling the issue that Obama has enough experience to be the President. ( see Lois' number 3 above )
Maybe now we can move on to the issues.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:54pm PT
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Well, Moosie, that makes you, me, jstan, skipt (some of the time), and Warbler who want to talk about the issues. Maybe a few others who've simply been lying low. Though we don't really need another political thread.
Issues like: What do you think of the candidates' and parties' positions on the environment? The economy? Health care? The economy? Foreign policy? The economy? Education? The economy? Erosion of civil liberties and constitutional rights? Unemployment? Globalization? The economy? Taxation and the deficit? Cleaning up the messes left by Bush et al? The military-political-industrial complex? The economy? The proper role of the federal government?
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Terry
climber
Spokane
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:00pm PT
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Experience is still an issue. Obama just has to win to make him Pres. McCain has to die to make Palin pres. Big difference.
However, the experience issue is hardly what I'd hang my hat on in a debate against Obama and I think McCain figured this out. Lets talk issues and judgement. Obama's leans to the left of Harry Reid and would seek out Ted Kennedy as his advisor of choice. YIKES. He's a socialist for sure, if not Marxist. And did you listen to his answers to the questions posed by Rick Warren?? The question on abortion is "above his pay grade"??? You gotta be kidding me. Not even an artful dodge.
Obama is gonna be exposed at the debates as someone who can give a great prepared speech but has no grasp of the issues and the consequences his socialist policies would have in the long term. He is the flash in the pan wonder-child, not Palin and I sincerely hope the country figures this out.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:04pm PT
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It may not be entirely clear who Obama is, but he certainly is NOT a socialist or a Marxist. Don't waste our time.
The foolish and over-heated rhetoric that passes for political debate in much of the U.S. doesn't help a debate on the issues. McCain is no more a fascist than Obama is a socialist. If you believe either, your ignorance of politics, and willingness to substitute superficial and meaningless slogans for debate, is disheartening.
I will add that governments of all types in the U.S. at times display both socialist and fascist tendencies. All governments. In its actions, the Bush government has been both. Fascism and socialism have a lot in common, including things like populism, corporatism, an interventionist government, etc.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:06pm PT
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Werner, when does life begin and when does it end?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:07pm PT
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My latest idea concerning America going to a national healthcare single payer system is to mimic Canada's healthcare system but add a twist. Clarify everything that the national system would cover, then allow insurance industry to offer supplement coverage for those things national healthcare doesn't cover.
If you don't have the money or don't mind being in a hospital room with another person, then stay on the national healthcare program.
If you want a private room, then buy supplemental coverage.
The above example applies to all the things that some are afraid of that won't be covered under national healthcare.
The main obstacle that I see is defining what national healthcare will pay for. Yet insurance companies do that all the time, so it should be a solvable problem.
This take the profit out of the majority of insurance coverage and would. A profit that ranges from 18 to 25 percent and some reports say 30 percent. This savings could be used to cover the Americans without healthcare.
The added benefit would be to get all Americans coverage and would thus keep them out of the emergency rooms except for real emergencies thus lowering cost even further.
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This would mean I could get healthcare without having to work for a major corporation. You know, I could start my own business instead of having to work for the man. Imagine that. Currently no one will cover me because of too many preexisting conditions. Yippie !!!
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:08pm PT
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"including your condescension concerning her education and experience. However, try to remember that not everyone is a California elitist. Many folks have not even (gasp) gone to college. Many work at blue collar jobs (like her husband) and many don't give a rat's ass about the Harvard Law Review. In fact, many have never even heard of it. "
Her Paltry experience is entirely fair game.
What's wrong with elitism?
I WANT a f*#king elitist in Office.
We're electing a President/VP of the United; not the mayor of Podunk Alaska. We should be selecting people with elite experience!!!
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bob d'antonio
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:12pm PT
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Who really wants a creationist picking the next two members of the Supreme Court if something happened to McCain if elected?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:14pm PT
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Once again Lois you are talking about winning and I am talking about qualifications.
It isn't elitism to understand that certain schools are better then others. Its just a fact of life.
Would you prefer a doctor who did his residency at Johns Hopkins or at Acme institute of technology?
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WBraun
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:16pm PT
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Patrick
The soul enters the sperm then travels and fertilizes the egg.
Nothing can grow without life (soul).
Abortion causes that soul which was sent to that particular womb to have to leave.
Same if you decide to independently act and kill someone. That body ceases to function correctly and thus that soul (individual) will have to leave before it's allotted term measured in breaths (prana).
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:22pm PT
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Howdy Lois.
And Anders (and others) is (are) correct. Let's talk about the issues (but let's not discount personalities).
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