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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 07:26pm PT
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The Bush Reich care nothing for the Shia, sunni or Kurds. They care only about Petro-Dollars.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 21, 2008 - 08:53pm PT
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Your opinion is based on ignorance of the facts.
The MSM has done a horrible job of informing on both the good and the bad.
Yon is a good source. This one more academic, but mostly pros.
http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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Jun 21, 2008 - 09:13pm PT
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The "facts" are always distorted by the media either thru ignorance or agenda.
That's why you go to the source, (been there, done that, have the green shirt).
Counting on the MSM / AM is like thinking that the Fresno Bee is going to accuratelydescribe a Big wall incident.
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Mighty Hiker
Social climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 09:19pm PT
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Hmmm. One initial post (long), then two tiny posts en route. 380 (now 381) bites.
Evidently Bryan has a lot of liberal friends. Good work!
Now what were we talking about again? :-)
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 09:26pm PT
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Well Jody tell us what happened.
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WandaFuca
Gym climber
San Fernando Lamas
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Jun 21, 2008 - 10:02pm PT
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They had steadily been falling since the initial 9/11 surge.
I'm looking at your chart and I don't know what you are talking about Jody. I see a steady rise for four and a half years, a short term drop for five or six months months, and then a steep climb.
Here's another chart:
blue line
and another:
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 10:34pm PT
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It means Jody is an out of context sound bite putz.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 10:35pm PT
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Karl, I'm sorry I'm late. You seem to be very aggressive for such a passive guy. You 'attack' people who are are warriors against violence yet defend people who propagate violence.
Am I wrong? I'm trying to understand you. Is vengence and counter-action always unjustified?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 10:58pm PT
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Riley, try to be a fellow man and be cool.
You're too obnoxious!!!, bro,
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 21, 2008 - 11:14pm PT
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Skip wrote
"Jody,
You asked,
"What do you think it means?"
Barack Obama in traditional Kenyan clothing along with a racist comment.
Skip"
Kudos bro. It's a sign of character to call out the falsehood whether it's coming from "your side" or "their side"
Peace
Karl
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 21, 2008 - 11:21pm PT
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Bluering wrote
"Karl, I'm sorry I'm late. You seem to be very aggressive for such a passive guy. You 'attack' people who are are warriors against violence yet defend people who propagate violence.
Am I wrong? I'm trying to understand you. Is vengence and counter-action always unjustified?"
You'll have to be more detailed in your question since now it's out of context. Remembering that Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9-11, and never attacked us, what kind of vengeance and counter-action are you talking about? They have a much better case to justify vengeance and counter-action against the US if you ask me.
I believe, really believe, in the golden rule. I put myself in the shoes of the other and ask myself what my thoughts and justifications would be if I was born there, or there, or there. I find that we, in the US, tend to think that our invasions and aggressive wars should be excused or ignored and are somehow "for good" and the wars, aggression and revenge of others always justify, on the other hand, extreme violence on our part, even if misdirected.
Most Americans would say that a serious attack on our soil would justify a nuclear attack in response, even at the risk of destroying life on the planet, and yet we go destroy Iraq based on what justification?
Peace
Karl
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 11:27pm PT
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Yeah Karl, sorry, I'm talking biblical. Hold on...
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 11:33pm PT
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o.k., riley, go to an Obama convention or something....
Karl, your problem, as I see it, is that even if someone came to chop your line with you on 'em, you'd say, "Well, that God's (Vishnu, or somthing) will", I'll be reborn as the earth.
I understand that, I just don't really wanna die, especially with a son. I gotta teach him sh#t, God wants us to embrace this thing we got going. Ya know?
Please don't bring Repub's and Dem's into this......they have very little to do with things.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 11:35pm PT
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Up yours, Jody!!!!!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 11:44pm PT
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...right.....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 11:52pm PT
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you're really a child at heart, Riley, and head....good luck with that!
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jun 21, 2008 - 11:59pm PT
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like I said....
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Jun 22, 2008 - 12:20am PT
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"Karl, your problem, as I see it, is that even if someone came to chop your line with you on 'em, you'd say, "Well, that God's (Vishnu, or somthing) will", I'll be reborn as the earth.
I understand that, I just don't really wanna die, especially with a son. I gotta teach him sh#t, God wants us to embrace this thing we got going. Ya know?
Please don't bring Repub's and Dem's into this......they have very little to do with things."
I guess you'll have to spell out your context more Bluering, type a little, I'm not getting it.
Remember though, that Jesus said that those who would try to save their lives would lose them......
Peace
Karl
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jun 22, 2008 - 01:11am PT
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you guys are all f*#king awesome...
...virtual hug!
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