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thebravecowboy
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no norton, not f*#k you.
f*#k your inaccurate statement "the Dems [partyline voted] to impeach "and doublef*#k your adherence to a leadership unwillling to do what needs to be done.
and also, I am a bit cornfused as to your misrepresentation of my complaint that the Dems did not vote to impeach (you paint me as damning them for allowing a vote...?) I am obvi in line with Al Green. You are not. Your patently inaccurate statement reminds me a lot of those of the Liar in Chuff.
maybe if we wait a little longer, let the Mueller investigation dawdle to its inevitably impotent conclusion, maybe if we allow our elected officials to keep sucking the teat of the status quo majordomos, maybe, just maybe....something good will happen.
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Yes Norton, they should have voted to impeach. Unsure what magical seer stones or divining pools you and Pelosi are indulging in, but please feel free to share.
Meanwhile, the Orange world turns......
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Jaybro
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Wolf City, Wyoming
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Better they should wait until it will stick!
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Happiegrrrl2
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I think it is plausible that the reason Franken, and some others, are stepping down is due to damage control - NOT for what has come out already, but what MAY come out in the future.
Better to step aside when you've been accused of "lesser sins" and no longer be in the legislature when "greater sins" are made public. The Jeffrey Epstein thing is roiling at a slow slimmer but heating up, and unless DT gets his hands on the nukes and blows us to smithereens, it will be boiling over as part of the Mueller probe(yes, pun intended).
Right now, in comparison to Moore, Franken looks like an Alter Boy caught drinking the wine from the sacristy. THIS is his "15 minutes of Shame." Imagine were he still seated if it comes out that he has participated in some of the things that are expected to come out.
We can be pretty sure that Clinton will be named in the scandal, and though the Trump supporters still claim it as "fake news," Donald Trump will be named. Who else, though.... Your guess is as good as mine, but I have the feeling there will be plenty. And WE, taxpayers, have been paying for it. God f*#king forbid, they tell you, that an honest, hard-working American should pay a few pennies, toward the food a child whose parent is a drug addict. And all along they have used taxpayer funds toward their partying with the use of child prostitutes - girls as young as twelve(and probably younger, and almost certainly boys in the same age range) FORCED into sexual slavery. What do you think happens to those kids when they get worn out??????? WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENS TO THEM?
Clean house now and hope to hell you get them all. Let the GOP'ers hold on to their "it's lies, I tell you" denials, because when it comes out(apparently Epstein taped much or all), there ain't going to be any denying.
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Mei
Trad climber
mxi2000.net
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I truly believe that Franken stepped down because 1) he sincerely believed that he could no longer do his honorary job; 2) he and his family can no longer take any more smear campaigns (you are right; there could be more *false* accusations to come out).
there ain't going to be any denying. Oh trust me, the buffoon and his gang will still deny even under oath standing next to a video showing the very thing that they are denying. I won't underestimate their "art of denial."
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Fritz
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Choss Creek, ID
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I got my Fox News fix today while driving back & forth to town. Fox reported Franken’s resignation & also accurately report his remarks about Trump & Roy Moore:
“I, of all people, am aware that there is some irony in the fact that I am leaving while a man who has bragged on tape about his history of sexual assault sits in the Oval Office and a man who has repeatedly preyed on young girls campaigns for the Senate, with the full support of his party,” he said.
Then two Fox “talking heads” discussed if that speech & Franken's resignation would have any effect on Moore’s candidacy for the Senate. One ”talking head” immediately dismissed Franken’s resignation as having any significance, since “they” will just put another Democrat like him in his seat . He smugly added that the Republicans would be fools to think that Franken’s resignation would set a moral standard that Republicans should follow.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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so I guess the gist of the non-impeachment impetus is to sit on our hands and wait for the evidence to become apparent? surely someone is doing something about this.
(hmm, seems to me that the more time passes, the more buying off, scrubbing away, etc., of evidence will occur).
upon whom are we waiting? f*#king godot?
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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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Franken should not resign unless the far worse Republicans including trumpy resign first. The Democrats are idiots if they think they are setting an example. They have attempted this loser policy to play nice before and always the Republicans never reciprocate. The entire GOP strategy for years now is dirty politics. The Republicans will NEVER follow any such example, as demonstrated by the GOP official support for moore. It is foolish to claim that Franken's case stands alone, regardless of what happens in other cases. He would actually not be setting an example, because we know that unless those worse cases resign first, they will never resign. In fact they will have a victory dance where they celebrate the Democrat self-immolation.
i believe that there were a bunch of knuckle-draggers who voted for Trump. But I also think that there were some genuinely serious people, who held their nose. I think, given a chance to ponder what has been wrought, that they will come to not support what the GOP is doing.
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Ken M
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Los Angeles, Ca
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No one cares that the House vote was landslide in favor of retaining our sex-abuser in chief?
you know, people are being polite to you, in spite of you having your head up your a*#. You obviously did not read the motion for impeachment, which did not enumerate Trump committing any crimes. you might, if you would read the Constitution, find that the President can only be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors. None alleged.
So you want to waste gov't time and money on a stunt that has no hope of succeeding. Typical far left wing thinking.
You appear to be complaining about ethical thinking and behavior, in favor of the crap that the GOP carries out. Go ahead and leave the democratic party for the anarchist party, and don't let the ethics hit you on the way out.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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Oh Ken, you sweet enabler, you. Keep fighting the good fight for the status quo. You are dreaming if you think that the way forward is to keep pumping the Dem moral high bar and expect anything other than heel dragging in return.
your inability to accept or even envision anything beyond the Elephant vs the Donkey is telling. it was a good 25 centuries until the glue hardened and then cracked, just like every other democratic construction.
adapt or perish. I'll be adapting, thank you.
And no Ken, you are wrong, the resolution cited "high misdemeanors". I can only envision this as something like a candy bar theft after a bunch of dabs, so I am sure that it's not really spot on.....
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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I am obvi in line with Al Green.
And in another time, you would have been the guy to run a rope over a tree branch to get "street justice", because someone looked at you the wrong way.
You cannot state any crime that Trump has been found guilty of, but you want to start an impeachment that requires that, anyway.
The democratic party does not need anyone with your concept of justice.
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thebravecowboy
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The Good Places
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ob.struct.ion.of.just.ice
I love the image of vigilante TBC. Wish I had the mean bones in my body to do what no one else will. wish you had the capacity to understand anarchists as anything more than the bombthrowing devils that mainstreamers of your ilk see as soon as a major political reformation is suggested or demanded. it would behoove you to study the cenetistas
while you are at it Ken, you think the Nay voters outta bail on the Dems too? because I sure do and I am pretty sure that they're wondering too.
unity party or nothing
as to your suggestion that the Dems need not of my support....you are right! they had it last go 'round yet they totally screwed the pooch. I'm sure you'll be fine without me. Good luck, muahahahaha!
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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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The GOP fell from the moral high ground when they backed tRump. Now they just don't care anymore. Ideology and greed are their God now.
In spite of the daily tRump worldwide sh*t show, the Dem's haven't developed a compelling, comprehensive alternative. They need to clean house and come back with a better, more centrist vision, and new leadership.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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The Alabama pervert Roy Moore, who our Presidential pussy-grabber & the RNC now endorse on his Senate race, also longs for the "good old days" of slavery, when families were more united, per this report from Newsweek.
They support Moore, since Trump enjoys encouraging the racists, who are an important part of his voter base.
Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate under fire for alleged sexual misconduct with teenage girls when he was in his 30s, apparently believes America was a better place at a time when slavery was still legal.
At a campaign event earlier this year, an audience member asked Moore for his opinion on when the last time America was "great." Moore responded: "I think it was great at the time when families were united—even though we had slavery—they cared for one another…Our families were strong, our country had a direction."
The individual who asked the question was among the few African-Americans in attendance at the rally, according to the Los Angeles Times. In stating this, Moore seemingly implied he'd be able to overlook the enslavement of other human beings as long as families are "united," an interesting perspective from a man accused of repeatedly preying on young girls.
http://www.newsweek.com/roy-moore-last-time-america-great-during-slavery-741845?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=yahoo_news&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news
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Lituya
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The GOP fell from the moral high ground when they backed tRump. Now they just don't care anymore. Ideology and greed are their God now.
Can't we all just "moveon?"
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dirtbag
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You cannot state any crime that Trump has been found guilty of, but you want to start an impeachment that requires that, anyway.
To be clear, “high crimes and misdemeanors” was an 18th Century term that didn’t literally apply to solely criminal acts. Most scholars think it meant an abuse of the office or dereliction of duty. Certainly, there is a good evidence Trump has done that and more already. But I agree that it is premature to discuss impeachment. It would surely rip the country in half, so any impeachment movement needs to have an extremely compelling case. We’re not there yet.
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Happiegrrrl2
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The thing that makes me angry is that a large majority of people who vote Republican do NOT share the "values" and mindsets that are causing so much vitriol and angst, nor are the politicians are NOT representing their constituents.
Are these folks sending letters/making calls to their legislators to let them know they do NOT support the statements that they are making? I don't know, but if they are, how can they not see their voice seem to mean nothing?
You know......If we could develop an online system that WAS secure, and was not gameable, and ALL votes, on ALL bills, could be decided by the People directly - well, wouldn't that be something? There could still be reps and senators, to manage the "secretarial" work of getting the changes enacted, or to do research and present information.
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Happiegrrrl2
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Mock 'those people' all you want. You can't shed them and you can't ignore them.
I grew up in Wisconsin, in a family that I believed "was wealthy," because that's what my father told us. It wasn't until senior year in high school when my social studies teacher asked for a raise of hand by those of us who felt we were in the Middle Class. I don't know the percentage up, but it was definitely the majority, and I was firmly among them.
Teacher then went on to explain the reality; that most of us were in actuality "Upper Lower Class." He used facts and plain words, and I knew he was speaking the truth. Humbling, that. But not only humbling, a shaking of y brain - how could I have looked at what we had - shivering under thin blankets in a cold farmhouse despite "unlimited free propane" (my father's business). Hand me down clothes and two white shirts to go under the single tartan pattern Catholic school uniform(handed down from sister or bought used from some unknown source). We had a good meal on the table at 5 every night, thanks to my mom,and I guess that was what I accepted as the guidepost.
When we switched to public school in 11th grade, I was told I wouldn't be going to college, so my curriculum was that of "Tech Track." I was deep in my pot head by then, so college held no interest(one of my life regrets, not going to college). I could have gotten a FREE BOAT RIDE, I now know, with Pell Grants and scholarships, had ONLY someone explained that to me, had only SOMEONE taken the time to explain that I could do well, and provide me with some sort of stimulation besides being able to order all the Scholastic Books I could read(thank you, Mom, for insisting there be no limit). I had held the highest IQ in my grade school(not grade) when tested in 5th grade(this info provided by the daughter of a teacher who liked to look into classmate records when waiting after school for mom. There was a small group of testers who took me out of class for two solid days doing tests because I was not participating, in sixth grade. The consensus was "gifted." I remember them explaining that to my teacher. And then the next day I was back to the routine - sitting in the desk next to teacher, disallowed to be among my peers, because I didn't pay attention.
I AM that Middle America, through and through. So... there's that.
Why are we SOOOOOO understanding that all the white "Middle American" men(those whose grandfathers held mind-numbing factory jobs they often detested) feel "left behind, ignored, abused?" Where has the pity been all the years previous for the inner city kids, the rural poor in the south? The ones who actually WERE left behind, ignored, and abused?
Give me a small violin(trying not to swear here - hear that in the tone one would hear "give me a f.... break").
Sure - the factory jobs went away. We SAW IT COMING. I know that I did! At 18, when the guys in my class graduated and started to seek jobs. Farming had already crashed on them(so you see, we had a precedent - the death of factory jobs was NOT a virgin trauma on our population). The factories WERE starting to shut. Yeah....men were panicking. Yeah, there weren't enough jobs. Yeah, people complained.
And then they got up and started learning new trades and while some did not flourish, a good number did. (Why do we feel responsible for those factory-men who failed to flourish, when the young black male with such more limited resources at the same time was "lazy" and "should move if there are no jobs nearby?"
The GOP(NOT to be confused with the general population who vote GOP) has NO plan to help these people, black, brown, yellow or white. They. Are. Lying. Handing us bullshit(oops) and telling us it's a fudge brownie.
And NOT.ONLY.THAT!
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It's a plan - well orchestrated, that is clear - by our good old enemy, Russia. Call that fake news all you want - just please stop short of starting civil war. We. Have. Been. Had.
By a master in the art.
Who very well may have known - no, they HAD to know - that the bumbling Trumps couldn't pull off what they were hoping to.
It's NOT Middle America v The Coasts. STOP with that - PLEASE! For the sake of our Republic.
United We Stand. Divided We Fall.
THAT is "the plan" for us, for We, the People.
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dirtbag
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Care to verify that with a citation
Sure, but I don’t have time right now. If you are interested there are countless sources if you google “high crimes and misdemeanors.”
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