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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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I suppose both parents and children could be returned to home nations.
yes and really not that painful or difficult to do...what do you think,,,boxcars or buses?
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Well a lot of people break the law a lot.
This will be a good test of Trump's heart and will.
He can just pardon the whole lot of them.
Who knows maybe they'll play a few rounds and book a few rooms and celebratory banquets at some of his properties.
Which would be a beautiful, beautiful thing since they are not Nigras, right?
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Kicking the Dreamer kids out of the U.S. was another of Trump's campaign promises to his racist base voters.
On my part, I think that since they gave their personal information to sign up for the program, they are on board for wanting to be citizens.
It appears that they are also paying taxes, mostly speak good English, & are goal-oriented to be good American citizens.
I shake my head at the simple-minded as#@&%es that want to send them back to Mexico & Central America, where they can spend their lifetime hating us.
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10b4me
Mountain climber
Retired
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Being a dreamer is really nothing more than being guilty of association.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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From the AP today on the DACA kids:
Studies have found that the economic damage caused by expelling those protected by the measure would be modest but noticeable. The libertarian Cato Institute estimated it would cost the U.S. economy $215 billion over 10 years, a small drop given that the nation's output is roughly $17 trillion every year.
But most economists see immigration generally as an economic boon. That's particularly true as the U.S. ages, which means more Americans are retiring. Those retirements have slowed the growth of the U.S. workforce — a trend that, in turn, limits the economy's potential expansion.
The U.S. economy has expanded at a 2.2 percent annual rate since the Great Recession ended in 2009. President Donald Trump has said he wants to raise that pace to at least 3 percent.
"If you want to raise the economy's underlying growth rate, we should be increasing immigration, not reducing it," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Analytics.
The Cato study notes that beneficiaries of DACA are similar to the highly-skilled immigrants who are granted H-1B visas to work in the United States. The average beneficiary is 22, has a job, and earns about $34,000 a year, Cato says.
Nearly three-fifths reported finding work after the program was implemented, a 2014 survey found, and 45 percent said they received a pay increase.
Deporting DACA recipients would reduce Social Security and Medicare tax revenue by $24.6 billion over a decade, according to research by the Immigrant Legal Resource Center.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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^^^^^^ Yup.
Since Obama was elected (Oh my god, there's a black man in the white house!!!), the pendulum has been swinging wildly of late. I sure hope sanity returns soon.
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August West
Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
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This will be a good test of Trump's heart and will.
He can just pardon the whole lot of them.
I imagine you were being sarcastic with the pardon comment, but a pardon wouldn't give them legal status in order to be able to legally have a job.
Too bad, or Obama might have done that on his way out.
It's also a little ironic that most of the dreamers are no longer kids. We already gave them a free K-12 education and many of them have gotten a publicly subsidized college education. Now that they are in the work force paying taxes back into the system, we are going to kick them out.
Just like we used to give foreign students a great college education and then allowed them to stay and work and eventually become citizens.
But now, after giving them a world class education, we kick them back to China, or wherever, so they can compete against us.
Just brilliant in so many ways...
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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The only good reason I can think of for kicking out the so-called Dreamers is that Obama was probably violating the Constitution by setting up DACA.
But that's not a good enough reason for me--people violate the Constitution all the time and the world doesn't come to an end.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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The optics will be terrible when the deportations of these young people begins.
And isn't Trump the one who claimed the President has broad authority over immigration issues? Now he says congress should take care of it so he's dumping it on them. He can tell his base that he tried.
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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I find this amusing.
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gruzzy
Social climber
socal
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Topic Author's Reply - Sep 8, 2017 - 11:01am PT
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some people have no will power
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dirtbag
climber
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Sep 15, 2017 - 06:37am PT
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^^^One of the few enjoyable moments during this national shitburger called the trump presidency is watching his supporters such as coulter choke on the shitburger they so eagerly consumed the past year.
"Unfit." Well, duh.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Sep 20, 2017 - 07:06pm PT
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As if anybody gives a rat's ass what Coulter thinks...
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divad
Trad climber
wmass
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Sep 20, 2017 - 07:30pm PT
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Best speech ever by an orange baffoon. Four score and seven years from now, schoolkids will be asked to recite it.
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zBrown
Ice climber
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Sep 20, 2017 - 07:52pm PT
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Witch hunt? Yeah hunted and found
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Sep 21, 2017 - 06:40am PT
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(CNN)North Korea's foreign minister has delivered a scornful response to US President Donald Trump's threat to destroy the hermit kingdom, likening it to the sound of "a dog barking."
Ri Yong Ho, who is in the US for the United Nations General Assembly, said he "felt sorry" for the President's advisers after a fiery speech to the UN on Tuesday.
In his debut address to world leaders, Trump vowed to "totally destroy" North Korea if the US was forced to defend its allies.
Referring North Korean leader Kim Jong Un by a nickname he first used in in a tweet Sunday, Trump said: "Rocket man is on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime."
Ri, in his country's first response to Trump's speech, was derisive. "If he was thinking he could scare us with the sound of a dog barking, that's really a dog dream," Ri told reporters outside his hotel in New York. In Korean, a dog dream is one that is absurd and makes little sense.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Sep 21, 2017 - 07:44am PT
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^^ You know, when North Korea sounds like the adult in the room, you know you're in big trouble.
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Braunini
Big Wall climber
cupertino
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Sep 21, 2017 - 09:02am PT
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Just driving by for the first time in a long time, and probably a long time to come. Surprised at the lack of politard threads, in fact this seems to be the only (political) turd in the punchbowl at least on the front page at the moment. Wow, a couple of climbing related threads the on the front page? What changed?
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