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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Bob: True science starts where doctrine and beliefs leave off.
Then it's nowhere, Bob.
Science is full of doctrines and beliefs. That's what supposedly makes it so great. Those beliefs purportedly light up the world for folks to see, and science couldn't be anywhere at all without doctrines. Doctrines are the residual precipitate of experimental studies, thinking, and investigations. It's the knowledge science claims to have discovered. Were it not for doctrines, scholars could not stand on the shoulders of giants who have gone before them. That means that everyone in a field would have to start from scratch each and every time.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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"Then it's nowhere, Bob. "
Wrong, it everywhere.
"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing."
Albert Einstein.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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MikeL
Doctrine..."a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government:
Belief..."an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists."
Sorry my post didn't make sense to you.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Bob:
Are you saying that science has no beliefs or doctrines?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Are you saying that science has no beliefs or doctrines?
science has no unquestionable beliefs or doctrines
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Reeotch
climber
4 Corners Area
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^^^^ Well, it's not supposed to, anyway . . .
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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MikeL wrote: Bob:
Are you saying that science has no beliefs or doctrines?
Methods and data, thats what science is.
"Every major religion today is a winner in the Darwinian struggle waged among cultures, and none ever flourished by tolerating its rivals. E. O. Wilson
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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How about answering the question, Bob?
(Thanks, Ed.)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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I did.
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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I don't think you did. How about a yes or no?
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Is it wrong to ask for a straight answer? I'm not asking Ed. Ed isn't making these comments here.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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I will post it again..."Methods and data, thats what science is."
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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I get it. No straight answer.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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MikeL, that is really about as much as you will get from me. This discussion is really not that important to me and it is just a way to whittle a little time away while working on one of my rock climbing guide.
Have a great day.
Bob
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MikeL
Social climber
Southern Arizona
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Right, Bob. I'm sure that's a better thing for you to do.
Be well.
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The state of quantum flux
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jgill
Boulder climber
The high prairie of southern Colorado
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I will post it again..."Methods and data, thats what science is."
Bob, no imagination, no speculation, no insight, no conceptualization, . . . ? Just methods and data?
C'mon now, you're a smart guy! Sycorax we can understand. She is bogged down in the quicksand of literature and only glimpses occasionally the larger world of ideas.
;>)
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Jgill wrote: Bob, no imagination, no speculation, no insight, no conceptualization, . . . ? Just methods and data?
Wouldn't all of the above fit under methods? :-)
Hope you are well John? Laurel says hi.
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WBraun
climber
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Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had a world where everybody said, "We don't know"?
Sure ... let the whole world drive right through a stop sign and kill everyone in the cross traffic.
Then when they're asked why didn't you stop at the stop sign?
"We don't know"
The religion of stoopid people .....
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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So, in simple terms, we have the "fanatics", the "We don't knows" and the "old contrary as#@&%e"?
Got it!
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