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StahlBro
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San Diego, CA
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:49am PT
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#ADDJibberish
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jonnyrig
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:54am PT
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What you gonna do when your boy lets you down? Will it all be the liberal's fault? Or is it even possible he could be fallible?
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:58am PT
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Daniel Ellsberg was considered a criminal too.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:08am PT
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Feb 16, 2017 - 10:53am PT
Who cares about where, how, why, or who leaked it so long as it is the TRUTH???...
Diversion is all that is...
The laws can deal with the culprit...
The issue is DONALD TRUMP...
This. Illegal leaks are bad.
A treasonous administration is 1000x worse.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:12am PT
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cognitive dissonance
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:19am PT
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This. Illegal leaks are bad."...
If the TRUTH has been discovered, that otherwise would not have been...
I am 100% in SUPPORT of it being leaked...
It's is OUR (Supposedly) Government and any method of getting TRUTH is AOK by me...(EDITED: Not talking Waterboarding here... LOL!!!)
FUK THEM IF THEY DON'T LIKE IT!!!...
There are legitimate secrets important to protect the safety of sources and our security. I don't take an absolutist view here. For that reason, I have mixed feelings about folks like Snowden.
That said...the information being revealed is extremely important to our security, and the source of the leaks shouldn't distract from the bigger question, namely, WTF is up with trump and Russia?
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:26am PT
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Rimshot...
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:32am PT
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One of the few true things I've read so far that trump said during his press conference today:
I don't think there's ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we've done.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:39am PT
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Trump, or his camp, being involved with Russian intelligence agencies for a full year is some CRAZY news. What were they thinking? That it would never come out?
Trump needs some work to become presidential. Sending Kellyanne Conway out to the wolves isn't working.
Point: The Russians tried to influence the election by committing the felony of hacking the DNC. That on its own should be investigated, but now we hear that Trump's group was yacking with the Russians during that time.
Very bad. We have never seen anything like this one.
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Jon Beck
Trad climber
Oceanside
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Feb 16, 2017 - 11:50am PT
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Trump and his buddies have been in cahoots with Russian oligarchs for years (see Trump tax return). They viewed the election as a way to boost their standing with the most powerful man in the world (hail Putin) They never expected to win, now that they have the presidency they do not have a clue on how to govern. Putin is playing them for the fools they were. I bet Putin suggested Tillerson for the cabinet.
just received an email from Trump himself, yeah, I am on his mailing list. Guess who he is blaming?
https://action.donaldjtrump.com/mainstream-media-accountability-survey/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=GOP_surveys_Mainstream-Media-Accountability-Survey&utm_content=021617-media-survey-djt-jfc-p-p-hf-e-1&utm_source=e_p-p
You know that I don’t trust the media to report on anything we achieve.
Instead, you -- the American people -- are our last line of defense against the media’s hit jobs.
You are our greatest asset in helping our movement deliver the truth to the American people.
Which is why I need you to take the Mainstream Media Accountability Survey to do your part to fight back against the media’s attacks and deceptions.
Over these next four years, our movement will be subjected to some of the nastiest attacks you can imagine.
But just like during the campaign, we need to stay focused on getting the job done and accomplishing our shared goal to Make America Great Again!
That’s why I’ve made it a point to cut through the media’s noise and go straight to the American people. It worked during the campaign, and it will work again over these next four years.
But I can’t do it alone. I need you by my side, supporting our message and doing your part to get the truth to the American voter.
Please take the Mainstream Media Accountability Survey to do your part to fight back against the media’s attacks and deceptions.
Thank you,
Donald J. Trump
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Feb 16, 2017 - 12:06pm PT
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They never expected to win, now that they have the presidency they do not have a clue on how to govern.
That pretty much sums it up so far. It seemed OK for a couple of weeks, but things are imploding. Every time he talks with a foreign leader, he has no idea of foreign policy.
And he lies his ass off. He used to call Hillary, "Lying Hillary," but he lied over and over about his tax returns.
I look forward to the FBI finishing their report over the Russian hack, and also look forward to the Senate doing their job by looking at the Trump organization talking to Russian Intelligence officers.
Man, there is no way to spin that one. Kellyanne Conway can't handle that one.
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 12:10pm PT
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Three reasons to reject trump's claims about the leaks (a good read, written by conservative David Frum):
1) When Russian spies hacked Democratic emails, and then posted those emails via WikiLeaks, the Trump campaign and its friends noisily insisted that it didn’t matter how information came into the public domain, but only whether the information told Americans something important about a would-be president.
“I love WikiLeaks!” said Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania in October. A Republican congressman who had over-enthusiastically tweeted “Thank God for WikiLeaks” explained himself in a more formal statement: While he did not condone illegal activity, he was “thankful the information was out there.” And this was the line certainly from Trump supporters on air and online: The real news was the content of the leak, not the fact of the leak.
Yet in the WikiLeaks instance, the content of the leak was a series of nothingburgers. Maybe the most exciting revelation was that Donna Brazile had shared with the Clinton campaign one of the questions to be posed to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders at a CNN townhall during the Democratic primaries. Now, however, we are dealing with information of truly vital national importance: plausible allegations that a U.S. presidential campaign had contact with a hostile foreign power which had hacked the communications of its political opponents. If there was any coordination, the resulting scandal would blend Watergate with Alger Hiss. The people who “loved WikiLeaks” seem poorly positioned to complain that potentially vastly greater wrongdoing is being brought to light by the same methods they endorsed for their own advantage
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/reject-trumps-criticism-of-leaks/516990/
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 12:11pm PT
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Jon that survey is pretty chilling.
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Roger Breedlove
climber
Cleveland Heights, Ohio
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Feb 16, 2017 - 12:57pm PT
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All I am saying is that the EO's are spot on, at least the ones I know about. They are righting some of the wrongs of the Obama administration. His first EO is one of the best. You do not have to show proof of health coverage on your 2016 taxes and fear facing a fine if you don't have coverage. Small steps...small steps.
Jody believes that there is in fact no security threat from immigrants from the seven failed states named in the immigration executive order and that health insurance companies will pay your bills if you sign up after the fact, or that "repeal and replace" just means repeal. LaLa Land without the music and dancing.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 01:07pm PT
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That said...the information being revealed is extremely important to our security, and the source of the leaks shouldn't distract from the bigger question, namely, WTF is up with trump and Russia?
I agree. If what was being leaked was discussions with Russia over a concerted tactical action against :terrorism," that would be a leak that shouldn't occur. Unless, I suppose, that the tactical action was to gather up Libards, drop them in the ME desert and wait for jihadists to kidnap them so they could pick off the jihadist....(playing on Jody's Alaskan bear Hunting theme).
I wish one of the journalists would have twisted the Flyn question to be this:
"Why did Flynn tell the Russians not to worry about the sanctions?"
Just that, quietly and simply, and then hush up and let the man speak.
What were they thinking? That it would never come out? I think that they got played early on by the Russians, and were "in too deep" before they even had a clue. Just like a phishing scheme, the Russian mindset is to keep an open mind and be ready to act when you've got "a live one" on the line. Who DOESN'T like to party? Especially when you're a spy and your job is to befriend people from target countries and see where that goes.
Donald Trump's problem was that he thinks SO highly of himself that he must have believed all those people wanted to be around him because he was - well, Donald Trump! They probably went home at night and took aspirin to get rid of the headache of listening to his onandons all night, and the next day touched base with others and laughed over the more remarkable whoppers that he made.
If you consider the possibility of Russians grooming Trump for the presidency for years(as the Steele dossier asserted), it may well have been them who even plated the seed in his mind, to make a run for the White House, almost a decade back! A rather remarkable long game, if you consider it from that perspective,
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Marlow
Sport climber
OSLO
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Feb 16, 2017 - 01:10pm PT
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They?
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Vlad Pricker
Mountain climber
Alaska West
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Feb 16, 2017 - 01:13pm PT
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Russians. They are no different than anybody else. They are human with human needs and emotions. They want to make Russia great again after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. They have endured economic hardships, their pride was/has been hurt.
And Putin and his cronies saw this. Putin already had the background, training and connections.
He ostensibly wants to restore the pride of the Russian people while lining his own pockets and feathering his reputation as the supreme leader and the Russians (many not all) have sucked it up.
He is perhaps the world’s wealthiest individual, by some reports his assets are worth around $200 billion… that dwarves anybody.
He found in Donald Trump a kindred spirit. The difference is Putin is shrewd, Trump just a marketer, a face.
Do not kid yourselves, there is collusion between the camps. I cannot prove it but the truth will out.
UK defence minister Michael Fallon is correct in his assessment that “Russia wants to be a competitor not a partner to the West”.
It appears, at least to me, that Mr Trump has tied his ribbon, his scarf, to Putin, and I believe I am not wrong in that. Looking at his cabinet choices, Mr Trump has not drained the swamp, just replaced it with his own snakes and alligators.
Mr Tillerson, perhaps closer to Putin than either General Kelly or Donald Trump.
These are precipitous times. In my opinion, Donald Trump is betraying America, whether knowingly or not. His ignorance and narcissism cannot see through the fog that he is a puppet of outside forces.
Those are my thoughts and time will tell if I and others who have seen and warned against the forthcoming deluge of problems are correct. It appears many Americans (a sizable minority) have put their faith in the wrong person.
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 16, 2017 - 01:15pm PT
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By reacting to Trump the way they have, protests, gridlock, non-stop attacks, whining, etc., anti-Trumpsters are going to do permanent damage to the country. They should buckle down, get to work electing more of their own people, and resist Trump in those ways. This "anarchy" they are participating in is ridiculous.
Did your friend Ted Cruz end you and email suggesting that you might share that little blurb o text with your network, Jody?
because, in case you haven't noticed - the protesting and whining is last week's news. We're on to "Has the President committed Treason?" now. The "after election game" has ended and is into overtime.
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