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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:10pm PT
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Looks like a dogshit design to me... but I'm not a civil engineer, but I did see some pictures and a 2 minute video on youtube. IDIOTS!!!!
wow, didn't know that YouTube conveyed so much information... making a STForum viewer into a civil engineering expert in 2 minutes...
"before YouTube I couldn't spell en-gen-ear, now I R one!"
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:14pm PT
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Good one Ed.
Now, tell us how it's done...properly
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:18pm PT
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searching on utube for how to lance a boil...
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c wilmot
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:19pm PT
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Once earthen dams go... they go. This could be real bad.
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Kalimon
Social climber
Ridgway, CO
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:25pm PT
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Hillary would NOT have let this happen in the first place!!!!!
I'm sure the Donald is boarding AFOne for an emergency visit . . . he knows a lot about dams and walls and sh#t. He'll sort it out quick like.
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:28pm PT
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First, boil the lance.
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rick sumner
Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:30pm PT
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All joking aside, this could get real bad, especially later in the week when the next round of permanent drought storms arrive. Could be a lot of flood refugees needing housing.
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Edge
Trad climber
Betwixt and Between Nederland & Boulder, CO
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:33pm PT
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Just in case that much water bull rushes the ocean, I'm going to register the website domain names www.northerncalifornia.gov and www.southerncalifornia.gov.
Would nitro glycerin work, or is that just on K2?
Seriously, thoughts and prayers for all of you this could effect.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Feb 12, 2017 - 07:34pm PT
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Air Force one has been grounded ...A half-dressed woman with a gun was discovered on the driver side wing...
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:10pm PT
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Watching the video KRCR I'm seeing water running through, maybe at the base, the wall to the (climber's) left of the emergency spillway. Is this bad?
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:12pm PT
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Now, tell us how it's done...properly
generally I'd find someone who knew what they were talking about...
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:15pm PT
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If it really is running thru the base, then yeah, that's bad.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:18pm PT
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Now they're showing the big white plastic bags of rocks they are planning to drop in there by helicopter. Is that what you call a "Hail Mary?"
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EdBannister
Mountain climber
13,000 feet
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:33pm PT
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If you really need to know the infinite wisdom of civil engineers,
simply observe that the population concentration in California is where there is less rain.
Then notice the management philosophy of the civil engineer deciding what to do with the water that does fall in the LA basin. "get it out and get it out quick."
That is a direct quote from the former head of the LA Flood control district as he described the build philosophy of the system, i heard him say it years ago, and yes, he was a civil engineer.
The group of engineers rightly called themselves the Los Angeles Flood Control District.
They determined the best strategy for LA County, was to build a system of evacuation to the ocean.
Nearly zero settling ponds, very little provision for capture and infiltration for later reclamation, even the Sepulveda Basin was an afterthought. Bottom line, no consideration was given to recharging the water table. There was no effort to conserve water, ZERO>
The truth is these great calculators of slope and flow rates, had no hint of brain function. They get the water to the ocean as fast as possible!!!! With 25% of the county devoted to the automobile there is huge runoff, with no county provision for storage or infiltration, government worker classic, prevent flooding cya, and make no provision for saving water, in a highly populated desert.
as good at thinking as a hewlett packard calculator a few years ago, great at trig, and perfectly brainless.
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john hansen
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:37pm PT
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Kolsem ,I believe the water you speak of is from the emergency spillway over flow. It topped out at about 12600 cf per second.
It looks to me that the emergency spill way runs down the slope of a very substantial ridge of undisturbed soil and possibly bedrock.
Even the damaged main spillway is over this area ,away from the actual dam.
But water can always out flank you if there is enough. I saw the Auburn coffer dam get topped out and washed away in 1986. It was 400 feet tall and had backed the water up the canyon so far the bridges were under 100 feet of water, but once the water topped the road on top of the dam, it was over, We watched for about 45 minutes.
By then a third of the dam was gone.
If the main Oroville dam went it would be an unprecedented disaster.
But I don't think that will happen.
A good question would be.. what is the difference in height of the emergency spillway and the actual top of the earthen dam.
I also wonder what the east end of the dam looks like.
EDIT, Kolsem I stand corrected. It would be way better to go over the west end of the emergency spillway where it runs down across bedrock and natural terrain , rather then topping out over the dam.
You could even dig a channel on that end and let it erode it way thru.
Better then letting the whole thing go at once.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:39pm PT
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This is what's on the air. It looks like a lot of water is coming through the earth to the left of that emergency spillway.
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John M
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:40pm PT
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Ed, Remember that there is a lot of politics involved with those decisions. How much money to spend, etc.
Edit: the area to the left of the emergency spillway is a parking lot for the boat ramp there. the water is filling it and flowing out from there in that picture above.
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Ksolem
Trad climber
Monrovia, California
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:47pm PT
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the area to the left of the emergency spillway is a parking lot for the boat ramp there.
Thanks. The perspective was playing games with me.
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jonnyrig
climber
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Feb 12, 2017 - 08:48pm PT
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I'd be interested in knowing more about the Auburn dam. My grandfather was on that project when it went. Hope oroville holds.
And yeah hey Rick, i made it up to my property. Not nearly as much water or erosion up there as i expected. Had brought snowshoes just in case but of course didn't use them. Got the Drone up for a brief flight in the lower canyon.
Sounds like E.R might be a go here pretty soon. Would like a look at some of those northerly formations.
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