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cintune
climber
Colorado School of Mimes
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...you christians should cede the floor to the OP. Trust me brothers, he handles the pulpit way way WAY better than you.
Really? Seems like he begs off on answering any real questions, albeit in a kinda charming humble aw-shucks love-me sorta way. But whatever.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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What amazes me is that seemingly intelligent people don't understand basic human psychology.
If you put a child in front on the TV and play the "Crocodile Hunter" for years, and tell the kid that Steve Irwin is God, and he died for your sins.
And we write a book about Steve, that builds him up and lies about reality, but we do it as an experiment.... what would happen
That kid will be able to "see", "talk to", "get advice from", "have him save me when I was in a desperate situation" -- STEVE IRWIN, the crocodile hunter!!!
That why all Religions are convinced that they are 100% correct.
Basic Human Psychology preprograms us to want to believe
And of course every other Religion is wrong, Steve Irwin is the only true God, he told me so, and he saved my ass, I can prove it with my story.
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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Contractor,
spot on.
IMO, Mennonites are about the closest to true Christians there are. I am not talking an individual's 'walk with Christ', but as a group genuinely working to live simply and help others in Christ's name.
The whole War Sponsored By Jesus and Murica! thing in this country is absolutely disgusting.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Craig, aren't you an older guy? Wouldn't that have been Marlin Perkins?
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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No way
Now that Bindy has blossomed
I'm 58, 6'2", 190 lb
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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It would be so cool if Steve Irwin rose from the dead.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Not to mention the episode in Indo, when Steve Irwin was throwing some buckets of salt water (surfing) with style and power, in his trademark khaki birdwatching garb. Loved that guy!
please, someone post that footage
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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"Critical thought experiment!!!
What if there was no life after death?
What if it was proven that once you die, that's it, the soul does not live on.
How would this influence your religious beliefs?"
Then Jesus would have been a liar. The whole premise would be a load of bunk. And I would not believe.
The resurrection is fundamental to my belief.
Craig: excellent thought re Steve Irwin on TV.
WHY would the child believe Steve was God? And that Steve died for his sins? What would be his basis for this belief?
If someone held a knife to the child's throat and said, do you REALLY believe Steve is God and died for your sins? Because if you do, I'm going to kill you. But if you say you don't believe Steve is God, I'll let you go?
Craig, what do you believe the child would do, and why?
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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(cough cough)
hey man, we all got our jobs to do right? your doing yours, and we're doin ours..
why do you think Jesus had 12 apostles? maybe it was because they had 12 different character's, and Jesus wanted 12 different opinions to keep track of His walk? Everyone comes from a different point of understanding, and one man's voice may not resonate to every listener.
The way in which the bible is written amazes me.. You can here one preacher's sermon on John 1, and learn a truth. Then hear another preacher's message and learn something entirely different. But both will be entirely true.
The book is true and alive. The more you can understand about how Jesus' word's affected the different people's character He was talking to, the more opportunity i see one using His word's in their own life..
but yeah, limpingcrab is doing a fantastic job with his words!
i'm learning here too.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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FACT EDIT:
"Take religion out, and far fewer will die for a lie"...
^^^
FACT!!!...
prove it then, please.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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If you put a child in front on the TV and play the "Crocodile Hunter" for years, and tell the kid that Steve Irwin is God, and he died for your sins.
And we write a book about Steve, that builds him up and lies about reality, but we do it as an experiment.... what would happen
That kid will be able to "see", "talk to", "get advice from", "have him save me when I was in a desperate situation" -- STEVE IRWIN, the crocodile hunter!!!
is that what happened to you? meow...
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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He saved me last night
I was in free soloing the first couple pitches of Space Babble, and I started to slip, but luckily, I was talking to Steve, and he talked me back off the edge, and I was able to get power directly from him, I almost levitated the move crux moves, it was like magic, the Locker resoles did aid in some of the lower thin friction moves
But If I didn't have Steve there with me, I would have been a goner...
That's my story and you will have to prove me wrong to question it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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The evil bible is a fun website that some, not all, here might enjoy.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Oh, boy
Do you even know how to Google??
there is an endless supply of facts that say secular nations have far LESS Death from all causes!
The more religious, the more Death
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/our-humanity-naturally/201103/misinformation-and-facts-about-secularism-and-religion
Criminal Behavior:
Citing four different studies, Zuckerman states: "Murder rates are actually lower in more secular nations and higher in more religious nations where belief in God is widespread." He also states: "Of the top 50 safest cities in the world, nearly all are in relatively non-religious countries."
Do you really need to deny human psychology?
I think we need to look into this further, such an interesting subject; denial of scientific research.
Of course no one denies all the other millions of scientific information that gives us GPS, I-phones and medical advances that keep millions alive.
It's only the things that moneyed interests have intentionally brainwashed people for all these years that they specifically deny.
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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good luck proving that.
well, the original words are in greek right? That's why it's severely important to bring all definitions from the languages. And morely important to bring in everything the entire bible say's pertaining that certain verse, or word!
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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Do you really need to deny human psychology?
I think we need to look into this further, such an interesting subject; denial of scientific research.
soo, your say'in when believers flock up they start shot'in everyone?
couldn't it be the opposite? when believers start hearding, the wolves circle for the kill?
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patrick compton
Trad climber
van
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well, the original words are in greek right? That's why it's severely important to bring all definitions from the languages. And morely important to bring in everything the entire bible say's pertaining that certain verse, or word!
you mean like the word homosexual is mentioned twice, but love countless times, yet the Church consistently fights against the right of gays?
but, sure everyone is hypocrite like Pete said, so is this the excuse for denying the rights to a group the church does't understand?
sounds like the mixing of church and state to me
and nothing to do what what Christ said.
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