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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Do we really need to play the feminist-card in addition to to race-card? That you think there is a 'race card' involved in any aspect of this pathetic fiasco once again pretty much says it all. Trust me, we understand you don't get or see it, but then neither does Sterling.
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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bluering challenged I forgot, spell them out again. You seem to have them well documented.
Please post up, as I'm curious.
If you were actually curious you'd go read my replies in this thread and the Ranchers thread. Or even just higher up on this page. But you're not actually curious, you're indignant.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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clippers 3 goldenstate 2
dumb bitch probably got paid by goldenstate to set up sterling!
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Dave posted I see, so this thread is not about race issues in general, it's only about Donald Sterling.
The thread title might have been a spoiler there.
Well, conveniently someone has started a "Racism and misogyny in rap music" thread where you now have an opportunity to address the offensive speech that permeates our culture and has a far bigger reach than anything an old man says in private conversation. Given your concern for racial tolerance and women's issues, I'm sure you'll have a lot to say.
Saying demeaning things about women is bad. Saying demeaning things about white people is bad. Pretending that because an 18 year old with a record contract says something racist it has the same importance as the pervasive institutional racism that exists in our country is bad. Using the premise that because someone calls someone out on defending racism that if they don't address every possible permutation of racism they are disingenuous is bad.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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ElCap has gone silent on proving this racist edge that I have
Two things:
1. No need to prove what you demonstrate over and over again every time you start babbling.
2. Your idea of the importance of your demands are completely detached from reality...kind of like most of the gurgling nonsense that spills from your mouth. To put it in words you might understand: You don't matter in my world. You are an insignificant, moronic little piss ant that I occasionally poke with a stick. Because smacking racist hillbilly fuktards around amuses me.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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I have been asking questions because there is some interesting lack of consistency in some points of view expressed here. I'm only trying to understand others' views. Not sure how asking questions is 'playing the feminist card'.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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^me neither, but to get back to Attorney Sterling.
I'm predicting that he will not sell the team and that this issue will not be resolved for 52 months.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Why isn't he the one who is a slut, since he is married? I was just looking at it from a different angle. How do you explain naturalism, when you have spiritual beliefs? That is my angle.
I thought it was evident that the old dude was a rotten SOB. I was just pointing out that she is no little angel in the fight against racism.
EDIT: Two things:
1. No need to prove what you demonstrate over and over again every time you start babbling.
2. Your idea of the importance of your demands are completely detached from reality...kind of like most of the gurgling nonsense that spills from your mouth. To put it in words you might understand: You don't matter in my world. You are an insignificant, moronic little piss ant that I occasionally poke with a stick. Because smacking racist hillbilly fuktards around amuses me.
As I suspected, you have nothing, hence the rhetoric and bullsh#t. Keep digging though, brah, surely there's something out there if I'm such a racist.
Or maybe just more baseless name-calling is good? Race-baiting is always pretty effective now though, so I see where you went.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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bluey
she is no little angel in the fight against racism. That is either racist or sexist or likely both. You are dragging her sex and supposed race into it.
Pray tell. what race IS she? Is she "little"? Have you seen her toe to toe with Sterling? Does she look small next to Magic? Do you?
She certainly is a party to the scandal, she is also "little" in terms of economic power compared to Spermling. And she doesn't have to be an angel at all for Spermling to be a racist power freak. Her race is irrelevant. Not so the race of the men she's not allowed to sit with at games.
As far as I know she hasn't called him a fat-arsed pot bellied honky.
Unfortunately I'm 100% Anglo-saxon and Celt. Frequently I'm embarrassed by members of my "race"
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BLUEBLOCR
Social climber
joshua tree
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clippers 3 goldenstate 2
dumb bitch probably got paid by goldenstate to set up sterling!
It's LA baby! Makes for good Holywierd don't it?
Either way I'm sure she'll have a payday. A Big one!!
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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I was just pointing out that she is no little angel in the fight against racism.
Quite possible then, that she is a Big Angel, in the fight, right?
Quite possible also that she is fighting back with the tools she has available after being hired, apparently doing her job (except getting photographed with niggers) and getting severely attacked by Attorny Sterling's wife and her cadre of lawyers.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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That is either racist or sexist or likely both. You are dragging her sex and supposed race into it.
Pray tell. what race IS she? Is she "little"? Have you seen her toe to toe with Sterling? Does she look small next to Magic? Do you?
She certainly is a party to the scandal, she is also "little" in terms of economic power compared to Spermling. And she doesn't have to be an angel at all for Spermling to be a racist power freak. Her race is irrelevant. Not so the race of the men she's not allowed to sit with at games.
WTF are you talking about? "little angel" is an expression of innocence. WTF does that have to do sex or race?
You're projecting.
I'm implying that she was not only a gold-gigger, but also a slut, because she was accepting 4 vehicles (expensive ones) and a house from the SOB in return for being his 'girlfriend'.
Do you really think she'd found him to be awesome if he had no money or gifts to give in return for 'her company'?
Her mixed race has nothing to do with my point.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Bruce, her release of the tape without his knowledge seems pretty nefarious to me. She knew it would harm him.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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And her attorney states clearly that she did not release the tape.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Quite possible then, that she is a Big Angel, in the fight, right?
Quite possible also that she is fighting back with the tools she has available after being hired, apparently doing her job (except getting photographed with niggers) and getting severely attacked by Attorny Sterling's wife and her cadre of lawyers.
It's possible, but based on her lifestyle choices, I find it unlikely. But that is just my observation.
EDIT: And her attorney states clearly that she did not release the tape.
Of course...
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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bluey
Her attorney claims they don't know who released the audio. V claims she didn't. She had a good thing going until the tape came out.
Spermling's wealthy, estranged and soon to be divorced wife had the most to gain since she's filed a motion for V to return $2.5 million. I suspect you know CA is a community property state. Blatant infidelity and giving away community property without her consent would be convenient for her to claim more than 1/2. Who knows, perhaps V or his wife was trying to blackmail him? Makes about as much sense as anything else.
I'm sure not going to guess whodunnit. Time will tell.
Don't need to guess to see Spermling's character as a result. Don't forget his previous racist dealings with his tenants for which he had to pay undisclosed fines and damages.
It's also evident that Spermling ASKED V to record their conversations. He's one stoopid SOB.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Don't need to guess to see Spermling's character as a result. Don't forget his previous racist dealings with his tenants for which he had to pay undisclosed fines and damages
I find this more criminal than his private rantings.
It's also evident that Spermling ASKED V to record their conversations. He's one stoopid SOB.
Agreed. But he never gave her permission to release them publicly. If she didn't do it, who did? Good question.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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I find this more criminal than his private rantings. indeed he was found liable. I don't know if it was civil or criminal and I'm not going to look it up. He had to pay a big fine (for us), pocket change for him.
Article 35 of the NBA Constitution, which allows the commissioner to indefinitely suspend owners for "conduct prejudicial or detrimental to the association. The attorneys will have a field day.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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I haven't read the contract, but I would be surprised if it included any language that Attorney Sterling needed to be aware that his behavior did or would negatively affect the league.
Surprise, surprise.
Looks like zBrown messed up again. The conduct must be "willful", it is written.
Hadn't seen that V. is denying releasing the tape to TMZ. I'm gonna have to bump of my estimated time to resolution to 60 months. Are there Las Vegas odds on this yet?
Is it just a rumour that V. was placing bets against the Clippers for Attorney Sterling?
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Dave Kos replied Sorry, I didn't realize that the billion-dollar rap music industry was just one kid.
Sorry I didn't realize the billion dollar rap music industry was run by black people. I also thought you said you weren't going to comment on it for lack of knowledge.
bluering raged As I suspected, you have nothing, hence the rhetoric and bullsh#t. Keep digging though, brah, surely there's something out there if I'm such a racist.
Or maybe just more baseless name-calling is good? Race-baiting is always pretty effective now though, so I see where you went.
Say something offensive, get called out on it repeatedly, pretend you didn't see any of the posts and then demand that they be repeated then pretend you don't see those posts either. Call your opponents' attacks "baseless." Repeat in every political thread for 5+ years.
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You're attempting to justify Sterling's comments somehow because some black people are racist or say racist things. Trying to deflect the importance of or the offensiveness of someone's comments just supports a culture of racism. If you started a thread about how certain Black Panthers called for the death of white people and I posted "yeah I don't agree with him but I mean, come on, Donald Sterling" I'm subtly infering that calling for the death of white people is justified or excusable. It's no different than "just asking" if black people wouldn't be better off as slaves. "I'm not saying they SHOULD be...I'm just asking the question, ok?" It's a bullshit cop out. The proper response to racism or support of racism is "that's racist, cut it out." If you think what Sterling said/did is racist, just say so in clear, unequivocal language. If you think what he said might be ok, that's fine that's your right and you can say so, just don't act so surprised when you keep getting called a racist about it.
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There I even put little banners around my paragraph so you know it's about you and you can't pretend to have missed it!
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