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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:54pm PT
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Your only hope is for him to tire himself out throwing a tantrum and fall asleep
He had a big day at the gun wange it should be soon
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Sanskara
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
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It's exactly what the Republican Party wants. All the laws written in favor of their lifestyle In Favor of their ideals. F*#k anyone who has a different idea or philosophy on life. And dear you suggest we are the one way f*#kers we will find whatever way we can to try and flip it around so you are the one way f*#kers.
And when that don't work we will threaten you with our guns! A bunch of backward simple minded juvenile little red neck f*#king babies kicking and screaming cuz they think the are right. I wouldn't really care except you gun toting maniacs are willing to kill people to get your way.
The thing is the only ones who do not pick up on the rotten stench of sh#t of shot you emit with regard to my way or the highway is the Republican Party. The only people the back you are a bunch of other f*#ktards who sole concern in life it their bank account religious beliefs or right to bully people with deadly force
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 04:58pm PT
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Cows are NOT an endangered species. I find it laughable that any regressive conservative gives a damn about baby cows unless veal is on the menu.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 05:14pm PT
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They are just now counting how many cattle were euthanized and the newly born calves and their mothers that died on the range Be sure to keep us posted. Enquiring Minds Must Know.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
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Yep! Let them eat turtle soup and steak tartar.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 13, 2014 - 05:50pm PT
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Senator Reid is fking thief. He is systematically scamming so much underhand shet through his position all in the name of mitgating climate change and saving the world.
and what is the name of this legislation you speak of, that Senator Reid got the Senate to pass, and had to have some Republicans help with the vote?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 06:13pm PT
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DTCC euthanized over 200 of the "endagered" tortoises in captivity Ok, so I'm uninformed on this one.
Who is the DTCC and what's your source about killing the tortoises?
So far I still can't find any mention of the Feds killing any Bundy cattle.
"Good morning America, good morning world, isn't it a beautiful day in Bunkerville?" Bundy told a cheering crowd after his cattle were released, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Apr 13, 2014 - 06:33pm PT
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Bob D'A wants proof.
(on Supertopo no less)
Hey Bob didn't you read that I'm anti-grazing on public land?
fluffy, is that a picture of you? What are you even doing here?
Well Chief, got the photo loaded.
Not bad, a few flyers to the left, but you seem to have dialed in the elevation.
What is it, like a 16" drop?
Has anybody here ever been to Bunkerville?
I went through years ago, and on through St. Thomas gap, across the Grand Wash Valley, up Hidden Canyon, over Mount Trumball, and down to Toroweap on the Grand Canyon to visit the grave of a friend. Then north across the Arizona Strip and back into Utah.
Well over 200 miles of continuous dirt roads in varying repair traveling through 3 states.
Spectacular as hell! Great trip.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Apr 13, 2014 - 06:41pm PT
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Isa and i did Toroweep in a compact chevy rental car:)
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HighDesertDJ
Trad climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 06:51pm PT
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I'm trying to get caught up on this thread. Looks like liberty was assaulted by an 8x11 piece of paper and Chief saved us? And rednecks saved cows from being cooked on mirrors in the desert by Harry Reid using taxpayer money borrowed from China? Sounds like a good day for 'mericuh.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Apr 13, 2014 - 06:57pm PT
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Nothing to do about any legislation. Rather ENN and DNE, Norton.
But I now see you will dismiss any wrong doing that may come about regarding his non-senatorial business activities. ENN and DNE.
oh, knock off your judgements, I am not "dismissing" a damn thing
be specific, chief, not any vague he is related to stuff
what exactly is Harry Reid himself doing to effect "climate change"?
I just want to know, thanks, and don't twist this into some kind of personal attack thing
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 07:11pm PT
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Clark County Sheriff's statement
...Sheriff Doug Gillespie said he spent all week mediating discussions involving the governor and both state and federal lawyers. Among the sheriff's concerns were unspecified threats received by nearby businesses and the safety of people at the Clark County Fair and Rodeo this weekend in Logandale, he said.
“I cannot interfere with the federal government when it is operating on federal land,” Gillespie said in a statement Saturday night. “But when a group of protesters threaten civil unrest or violence in this county -- it is my job to step in and ensure the safety of citizens.”
http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-blm-cattle-nevada-rancher-20140412,0,2071818.story#axzz2yoH6qSI9
Some have claimed here that the Sheriff has jurisdiction on BLM lands. Apparently Gillespie doesn't think so. Given that he had been in discussions with state and Fed lawyers he's probably right.
BLM Director Neil Kornze secured his position after U.S. Senate confirmation on Tuesday, four days into the cattle roundup. So Sen Reid's buddy was not in on ordering the cattle confiscation nor on the planning.
(From the same article)
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John M
climber
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Apr 13, 2014 - 07:24pm PT
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when I first saw something on the internet about Reid being involved it was a blog saying he was destroying documents. That is pretty funny because it doesn't say who caught him "destroying" documents, which would mean some kind of investigation, and it doesn't say who got the documents and released them. It just produced this statement that Reid was caught destroying documents and that took off from there.
this whole thing has gotten absurd.
I feel bad for the rancher losing his way of life. But lots of people lose their way of life given enough time. How many different things have gone by the wayside. Plenty.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 07:29pm PT
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David Blackmon in Forbes Magazine. He is certainly not sympathetic to the BLM OR environmentalists.
To be fair to the regulators, Mr. Bundy’s reaction to the 1993 heavy-handed action by the BLM is not entirely defensible either. He simply quit paying his grazing fees at that time, and has refused to pay them since. After piling up for 20 years, he admits to owing the government over $300,000, while the government claims the delinquent fees in fact exceed $1 million. ( A good guess is that Bundy is not including penalties and interest in his calculation, and those things have a way of adding up over a couple of decades.) He has also refused to reduce the size of his herd in compliance with the 1993 guidance, and has continued to occupy the land in defiance of the law. While one can certainly understand his anger and frustration at his situation, the actions he has taken are really not acceptable in a civil society. Forbes has taken this article down but of course it had already been cached.
[url="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2014/04/09/using-snipers-to-protect-a-tortoise/&strip=1"]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2014/04/09/using-snipers-to-protect-a-tortoise/&strip=1[/url]
more debunking here
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/11/the-nevada-tortoise-war-is-a-right-wing-false-f/198860
In fact, a BLM tortoise conservancy in Nevada was forced to shut down due to budget cuts. Prior to its closure, the Desert Tortoise Conservation Center had to make the difficult decision to put down the tortoises that carried disease or were too feeble to survive on their own. The others were released back into the wild.
And from another source:
U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service desert tortoise recovery coordinator Roy Averill-Murray estimated last week that about 50 percent to 60 percent of the 1,400 tortoises that live at the refuge were sick. Such tortoises cannot be released into the wild because they could infect their healthy wild brethren.
Deputy Fish and Wildlife Service director Carolyn Wells said Wednesday that the 50 percent estimate of sick tortoises at the facility may be correct, but added that not all of the ailing animals will be killed. Some of them could potentially go to research facilities, she said, though she could not say how many, and she does not yet have commitments from biologists.
Fish and Wildlife operates the center in conjunction with the San Diego Zoo.
http://blog.pe.com/environment/2013/08/30/desert-tortoise-move-on-to-save-conservation-center/
Chief, thanks for putting me onto that story, I had missed it.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 08:08pm PT
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Smart move by all to let the local Sheriff have the last word and take the credit.
He still has no remit on Federal property.
From the Dept of Homeland (In)Security
Put into plain English so your border agent knows what she is allowed/required to do.
Unlike a private landlord, Congress has the authority to create law enforcement organizations to patrol and to protect areas of federal property. Violations occurring within the federal land will then be handled by a federal law enforcement officer. This occurs on many of our land management areas, national parks, national refuges and forests, and BLM lands, as well as in developed areas and federal buildings protected and patrolled by many of our federal police agencies. Many of them have their own CFR regulations that are enforced within their property. http://www.fletc.gov/training/programs/legal-division/podcasts/the-federal-system-law-enforcement-jurisdiction-and-the-courts/the-federal-system-law-enforcement-jurisdiction-and-the-courts-transcripts/territorial-jurisdiction-on-federal-property-transcrip
Or put another way, it is similar in the states.
In California ALL State/County/Regional park rangers are now deputized LEOs. For instance, right down the road from me, State Park Rangers are the law, not the county Sheriff or Highway Patrol. The State highways on two sides of the park is Highway Patrol. The county roads on the other side of the park are county Sheriff.
There is frequently mutual aid. If there's a Real Bad Person in the park, the Ranger calls the Sheriff. If there's a Highway Patrol officer closer, she responds too. But it's the Ranger who makes the decision to cite or arrest or not. If arrested, then the county Sheriff gets custody.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 08:17pm PT
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And not one time has Mr. Bundy ever admitted to owing the feds a dime. Al Capone I'm sure claimed the same thing. The courts have said otherwise in both cases.
Or have you forgotten that we are governed by laws that are interpreted by the courts?
I really don't like some recent Supreme Court decisions. Doesn't mean I get to break the law with impunity.
Do you?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 08:22pm PT
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Compare yes, call them equal?
No. Bundy will not go down in history for good or evil. He'll be forgotten in 10 years.
Reductio Ad Absurdum
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Apr 13, 2014 - 08:41pm PT
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Huff and puff Chuff, you are still striking out swinging the shitcrazy bat.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Apr 13, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
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The chief...I'm guessing the Leos left to avoid an incident that would have left an angry mob on the short end of the AR-15 stick giving the neo-cons a new horse to flog in the upcoming elections..?
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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Apr 13, 2014 - 08:50pm PT
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If anyone cares to read the last Federal District Court decision, from July, you'll see how specious Bundy's arguments are. It's a short document and surprisingly easy reading for a court decision.
http://www.thewildlifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Order-US-v.-Bundy-7-9-13.pdf
“the public lands in Nevada are the property of the
United States because the United States has held title to those public lands since 1848, when
Mexico ceded the land to the United States.” CV-S-98-531 at 8 (citing United States v. Gardner,
107 F.3d 1314, 1318 (9th Cir. 1997)) Well before Bundy's Mormon pioneer ancestors got there in 1877
...Bundy is incorrect in claiming that the Disclaimer Clause of the Nevada Constitution carries no legal force that the __Property Clause of the United States Constitution applies only to federal lands
outside the borders of states__, see id. at 1320 Where the heck did Bundy get that cockamamy idea? (let me guess......wacko intertard sites)
that the United States‘ exercise of ownership
over federal lands violates the Equal Footing Doctrine, see id. at 1319; __that the United States
is basing its authority to sanction Bundy for his unauthorized use of federal lands on the
Endangered Species Act__ as opposed to trespass, see Compl. at ¶¶ 1,3, 26-39; and that
Nevada’s “Open Range” statute excuses Bundy’s trespass. See e.g., Gardner, 107 F.3d at 1320
(under Supremacy Clause state statute in conflict with federal law requiring permit to graze
would be trumped). It's in the Constitution. Federal Law always trumps state law. Just as any rights NOT claimed by the Fed Govt devolve to the states or the people.
The United States has submitted __Bundy’s
deposition excerpts indicating that Bundy has grazed livestock on the New Trespass Lands__
and further evidence of the trespass of Bundy’s cattle in those areas. Notwithstanding
Bundy’s contentions that the observed cattle bearing his brand may not in fact be his own,
such a denial does not controvert Nevada law regarding prima facie evidence of ownership
of branded cattle. Bundy has produced no valid law or specific facts raising a genuine issue of fact
regarding federal ownership or management of public lands in Nevada, or that his cattle
have not trespassed on the New Trespass Lands. Not one of Bundy's claims is valid. That's about as airtight a ruling as a Federal Court ever gives.
And for all the "militia" nut cases, Article 6 section 2 of the Constitution is clear
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.
Bundy just doesn't want the law to apply to him. Plain and simple.
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