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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Labrat, those number are not that bad. Especially because we have more water on the way this weekend, and probably more later in April.
I think we'll probably be o.k., but as for the future costs of our stupid 'bullet-train', that's a bit different IMO.
EDIT: bluey...I think you would be suprised by how many people would use the train...there's talk about a high speed train from LA to Bishop...rj
I doubt it. But isn't it funny there is no 'environmental impact' bullshit with this train, but s stupid smelt gets all the attention?
Think that maybe there are lobbying interests involved in both cases? California is rotten.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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"Wanting to fry the Smelt is indeed shortsighted."
How about adding Spring-Run Chinook, Steelhead and Green Sturgeon to your list?
They are all species listed as “threatened” under the federal Endangered Species Act.
I would rather have these fish swimming in the Sacramento delta and up into the mountains as far as possible.
Erik
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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bluering
I'm not saying the recent rains are not welcome. So far I see it as too little too late.
It did seem to put a damper on climbing in the Emeralds this weekend. I believe there is about a foot of new snow in the last week. It was dry with no snow week before last. :-(
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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They are all species listed as “threatened” under the federal Endangered Species Act.
So was the Peregrine Falcon. It's simply bullsh#t, they'll never get de-listed. But I agree the Sturgeon and Salmon are valuable. More valuable than the Delta Smelt. The other fish feed on other fish, not the DS exclusively, if at all. Even been fishing in the Delta?
The SF Delta is a very healthy eco-system.
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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In my neighborhood, on Bishop Creek, South Lake storage: 0%, Lake Sabrina storage: 0%. I heard from a retired So Cal Edison employee that this is the first time ever that both lakes have been flat empty.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Not sure if anyone pays attention to this stuff, but as an avid fisherman, I do. But poaching is a huge problem in the Delta, and off the coast for Abalone.
The good news is that the Dept. Fish/Game is really on top of this shit! They busted a Russian immigrant group that was poaching Delta sturgeon caviar (you're supposed to take one/day of size, over 64 inches?) and selling it in Russian delis as Belluga caviar.
That is little baby sturgeon that never get born, aborted!!! And the populations of sturgeon are obviously directed affected. Not many people know that Shasta is loaded with sturgeon too. I've only got 2 from the DElta, and let them both go. Not really good eatin'.
Oh, and Vietnamese and Chinese immigrants have no respect for these bag-limits, trust me, I've witnessed it first hand. I saw a guy cut the fins off a bat-ray and just leave the f*#king there on a dock still alive. Really? Can't at least kill the damn thing too?
There are reasons we have reasonable limits on fishing. Abide by them.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Maybe if we managed to eradicate some of the introduced fish, invasive invertebrates and invasive plants species it might be.
Of course, but I was talking about overall quality of the water and flora/fauna. What invasive fish are you talking about? I heard conflicting accounts that the Delta Smelt is not indigenous, but others disagree.
The invertebrates are even a problem in local lakes now, freshwater. Came from Asian cargo boats they say. After people take their freshwater boats into the Delta and re-introduce them to lakes, the infection occurs.
And yeah, some of them can survive in brackish water, or freshwater.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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'What invasive fish are you talking about?'
Yes, I know many of these are great to fish for and catch. I've chased many of them myself (really enjoy the American Shad!).
The delta would be better off without them!
American shad
Striped bass
Brown trout
Channel catfish
White catfish
Yellow bullhead
Brown bullhead
Black bullhead
Black crappie
White crappie
Green sunfish
Bluegill
Redear sunfish
Largemouth bass
Smallmouth bass
Treadfin shad
Carp
Goldfish
EDIT
'I heard conflicting accounts that the Delta Smelt is not indigenous'
Seriously? Do some more reading. It would not be listed if it were not native....
EDIT 2
Source http://www.waterboards.ca.gov/waterrights/publications_forms/available_documents/peir_consolidate_cvpermits/docs/appendixc.pdf
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ruppell
climber
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That whole deal was a mismanaged decision on the part of those two, SCE & DWP. Had nothing to do with the "drought".
What? Do you even read what you post? You just stated that they where planning on a 65% fill the first year then 100% the next. That never happened. Why? Wait for it:
A DROUGHT started those years.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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It appears that The Chief is still groggy from the blows with zBrown ;-)
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Chief. 06/07 or 07/08? Please state you source ;-) 06/07 was a bad year
Annual Snowfall Totals
1997/1998 310
1998/1999 120
1999/2000 124
2000/2001 263
2001/2002 53
2002/2003 81
2003/2004 104
2004/2005 278
2005/2006 76
2006/2007 29
2007/2008 124
2008/2009 130
2009/2010 153
2010/2011 155
2011/2012 45
2012/2013 77
2013/2014 25
126 Inches (17 year avg)
Source
http://www.mthigh.com/mountain/snow-totals
EDIT The above is a bad example ;-(
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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American shad
Striped bass
Brown trout
Channel catfish
White catfish
Yellow bullhead
Brown bullhead
Black bullhead
Black crappie
White crappie
Green sunfish
Bluegill
Redear sunfish
Largemouth bass
Smallmouth bass
Treadfin shad
Carp
Goldfish
What? Many of those species are natural hikers into brackish waters that seperate their natural waters from the salty Bay waters. Wouldn't call them intrusive. And Stripers are like Salmon, WTF? They use the oceans and the freshwater or brackish waters equally as a natural habitat.
Maybe goldfish though.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Wow, that's GREAT! Chuffer picks a random day of a random year and shows that we have almost, but not quite, reached that arbitrary amount of water!
Pay no attention to the fact that we are still 25-40% of normal... the 2006-07 snowpack had already started melting by April... and we are still more comparable to the driest year on record.
What a fuking dipsh#t.
We currently stand some 1.9" or so from equally 2007's total snowfall at Mammoth Pass.
(shhh, nobody tell the idiot he is looking at current snowpack and not total precipitation... or "total snowfall"... let's see how long it takes him to catch on... and see if he can comprehend the important difference)
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Thanks for the laughs! Glad I'm in a chair....
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Pay no attention to the fact that we are still 25% of normal... the 2006-07 snowpack had already started melting by April... and we are still more comparable to the driest year on record.
The 'year' is not over yet. If you've lived in California, or done any research as a "hydrologist", you'd realize that Cali does this thing every 15 to 30 years or so. Natural cycles. We call them Indian Summers.
But I don't even see that happening this year, it's sub-par, but far from a "drought".
Again. let see what April brings...
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Awesome, redefining drought again!!! Just like you redefined climate to fit your needs. It must be difficult constantly fooling yourself into thinking you know sh#t about sh#t... unless of course you are an idiot... in which case it must be quite easy.
Imagine how stupid I would look if I went to a helipad and insisted I knew how to fly one of them whirly birds better than the pilots. Yeah, you look 100x stupider.
file:///C:/Users/Ricki/Downloads/Eastern%20Sierra%20Current%20Precipitation%20Conditions%20(3).pdf
Awesome Ricki... you included a link to your C: drive!!!!
Ah but then changed it to (god only knows what you were going for there) some LADWP site. Can you explain how that relates to the DWR site you referenced at the top of the page? (http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/snowapp/swcchart.action);
Perhaps you were going for this: "Measurement as Inches Water Content; Precipitation totals are cumulative for water year beginning Oct 1"
Found here: https://www.ladwp.com/cs/idcplg?IdcService=GET_FILE&dDocName=LADWP003464&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased
Pure jenius!
it's sub-par, but far from a "drought".
hahahaha... blurring, you are a fuking idiot. It is a drought by definition! Unless of course we allow idiots to change the definition at whim.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Imagine how stupid I would look if I went to a helipad and insisted I knew how to fly one of them whirly birds better than the pilots. Yeah, you look 100x stupider
Not really an accurate analogy. It would be more like telling a "hydrologist" that more water falling from the skies on a daily basis isn't less likely to incur a drought.
How can you stand by your "data-models" when it's APril 2nd? Have you no history in you models of Calif Aprils??
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Shut the fuk up Donny and go look up how drought is defined outside your own vapid skull.
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