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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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I'm glad I never got into M2s. But they do have their following.
(poor ballistics)
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Feb 10, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
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the fact that your alphabet only goes to 'N' explains a lot.
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ELM !
climber
Near Boston
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Feb 10, 2014 - 05:08pm PT
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I love that Hornady load book Bob. Haven't opened another since I picked it up. Have you done their ballistics calculator online? Fun stuff.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Feb 14, 2014 - 08:10pm PT
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Thanks. Interestingly, something like a million sales declined by NICS during a 14 year period. I'd call that significant.
Notice, though, that there are more legal purchases going on now.
Tone of the article seems sad that they aren't declining more sales. Meh.
Private sale loophole. Keep hearing that phrase. Don't fool yourself into thinking that requiring universal background checks would stop illegal sales.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 15, 2014 - 07:53am PT
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Ron. some of your rules are stupid and paranoid and you left out two of the most important rules. #1 use your brain and stay out of troubble. #2 that little pointy thing on the end of the barrel is the front sight. LOOK AT IT!
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Feb 15, 2014 - 09:33am PT
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ELM, I love the Hornady website and their ballistic calculator is how I calculate my drop charts. I only need to tweak the results slightly and is most likely due to air density and whatnot. Good stuff, and it's free.
Burly Bob
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Feb 15, 2014 - 11:23am PT
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Bob, I'm going to chrono today. Or try, we got the thing to pick up .22s, so shot a copper through and nothing again. It was when the light was fading so all we can think is it wasn't picking up the shadow. I might try to load some blue dot as well, a lot less powder, but first gotta get that chrono working.
As far as the pigs, took us all day to find them, when we did they were in the thick brush. My buddy almost fired but they quickly evaded us. Then I found where they were, they winded me and scurried well off this time. My buddy was carrying a Henry .44 mag and I had the Rossi .357 mag. Perfect for that thick brush and close range shots..
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Feb 15, 2014 - 11:31am PT
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I've found my chrony to be sensitive to the direction of light hitting the shades. If you can, try rotating to a different direction or tilting it on its side. Not always convenient, but if you need the data...
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this just in
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north fork
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Feb 15, 2014 - 11:39am PT
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Thanks Johnny. I think it was the dusk that was the problem, but up to try anything if it doesn't work today...
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 15, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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My favorite "cowboy" rifle is a Tauris model C45.
I prefer a pump to a lever action as one can maintain sight picture better, and this bad boy holds 13 rounds of .45Colt+p.
That'd do a pig no problem.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Feb 15, 2014 - 12:11pm PT
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Not sure why you are so down on 7.62 short? Pinging 5" steel targets @ 200m my friends SKS was hitting just as many as my AR but knocking them with more athority farther off the stand. then we broke out my .303 and the steel took a real beating. 5.56 tips em over. 7.62 short knocks em about a foot. 303 sends em flying ass over teakettle
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Feb 15, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
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How good are you guys? Can you identify these? Brownie points for load data on the left rifle in the 2nd picture! It's the only one of the four I still have.
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 15, 2014 - 05:41pm PT
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Jonnyrig,
my mama told me, "Don't you buy no ugly gun!"
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perswig
climber
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Feb 15, 2014 - 05:51pm PT
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Second pic (left) - Berthier carbine.
Dale
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Toker Villain
Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
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Feb 15, 2014 - 07:12pm PT
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Actually the one right center looks closer to a Lebel- Berthier with an aftermarket scope mount, and the one on the left looks like an Artillery Musketoon Mle 1892.
But that was also developed by Andre Berthier.
If it is then you have a 8X50Rmm cartridge which in 1892 was black powder, though many made the conversion.
Top photo might be a Winchester 94 and a Mauser Gewehr 98.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Feb 15, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
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So, besides Toker, who's been to the Browning Museum in Ogden?
Very cool place and an awesome museum.
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jonnyrig
Trad climber
formerly known as hillrat
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Feb 15, 2014 - 08:04pm PT
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Top photo is an 1881 marlin in 45-70. From the factory it was equipped with double set triggers, and the magazine tube would have been the full length of the barrel. Somewhere in its history the mag tube was cut and the set trigger removed. I learned to reload just for this gun, and shot some rounds loaded with pyrodex. This gun had been my step-dad's, and when he died mom didn't have a use for it.
Along with it is an Arisaka type 99 in 7.7. It had the original bayonet, but as with others the mum was ground off. I've discovered that standard dies will reform 30-06 brass acceptably, though sometimes they bubble in at the neck, and the case must be subsequently trimmed. The base is also a few thousandths smaller, so I only use a reformed round for two loadings and then toss it. Also from my step-dad. Both guns were so covered in rust it took months to get them in questionably shootable condition. Both were first fired in an old tire. Both had to be sold during my divorce.
Lower left picture is indeed a Berthier, which I've not found acceptable load data for as yet. I did buy a box of factory rounds, and have shot it. They are not black powder, and they seem to shoot fine. Expensive though. This was my uncle's rifle, which he used to hunt deer. How he ever managed to hit one, must have been at very close range. The sights are godawful, and the rear is loose.
Lower pic right is a Mosin m44, to which I added a 2x pistol scope on a cheap mount. Had to use a piece of soda can as a shim to keep it accurate. Also discovered adding or removing the bayonet changed the point of impact by two horizontal feet at 100 yards. It too went away in the divorce. That's 250 rounds of ammo in my closet in a caliber I no longer own. Oops.
This one, I grew up with. Sort of. Grandpa had one an taught me to shoot with it. Then when I was 18 the local PD confiscated it, and never returned it despite a court order to do so. F*#kers. So I eventually replaced it. This one was super cheap, as it has some rust and a terrible re-blueing. But it's got the high-speed housing and shoots ok. Someday I'll break the sight adjustment loose and dial it in.
Oh, and most all my guns are ugly... they come cheap that way, so I can just toss them in the truck and not worry. They all go bang.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Feb 15, 2014 - 08:13pm PT
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Got the chronograph to work. Musta been the dusk was the problem earlier.
Final load data below.
Rifle: Rossi Model 92 lever action
Bullet: .357 mag Barnes 140gr XPB Copper
Powder: Alliant 2400. 12gr
Primer:WSPM
Case: Winchester Nickle Plated
C.O.L 1.58
Speed: 1550 FPS.
First one @ 1550 FPS, Second 1557. Made up 32 rounds for hunting.
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