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goatboy smellz
climber
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^^^ You guys need to step off your high horse and realize the mining towns of Lyons, Jamestown, and Salina, were laid out in the 1800's before planning boards and civic engineers had a say on where houses can be built.
This wasn't a 100 or 500 year flood, it was a 1000 year flood that took everyone off guard.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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In the 1800s, they didn't pave roads. So roads would absorb some of the water. They also still knew how to ride horses. So a flood wouldn't remove their sole source of transportation.
I was shocked to see, on TV at the time, people being removed by helicopter. Such people should move back to the urban environment in which they would be more at home.
It's symptomatic of the greater destruction of the West. The seasonal fires started by people that should've stayed back East. The massive fires where the smoke jumpers priortize structures and let the forest go to hell.
I'm glad I got to see the West, before the trailer parks of Florida unloaded into it.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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^ ^ ^
I think I can be replaced by this guy as the public enemy on this thread.
I won't waste time refuting your points, but at least as far as the flood goes, that's some pretty ignorant sh#t.
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TLP
climber
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Goatboy, I agree a lot of stuff happened over 100 years ago, and also don't think the holier-than-whoever tone is in order, but the road enlargement and building permits for the destroyed houses in all the pictures we saw are recent. Truckee is decades older than those mining towns, and yet there aren't tons of houses where the river washed them away in a <100 year flood event. A few private bridges went bye-bye, but no roads gone around here; they got some debris flows that needed to be cleaned up, but pretty much no major damage.
Also, read the link posted above: the rain event was big, but not the flood event. There's a huge difference. The region simply isn't allowing enough space for floodwaters. Whoever anyone wants to point fingers at, that's an individual choice, but the fact is objectively verified just by what happened in this and other big floods, seemingly occurring somewhere or other in the Front Range every few decades.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Wow John Duffield you are so far off that it is almost laughable. Except its a crying shame. You have no idea what these people went through. Is it that you are arrogant or ignorant.
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John Duffield
Mountain climber
New York
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If ya'll say so.
The point seems to be, whether they should go through it again and again. I'm not contesting whether they've been through hell once.
Here in New York, the State bought much of the property destroyed in Sandy. I was in some of that hell. Lower Manhattan was deeply affected.
I don't think they should build just everywhere and indiscriminate.
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TLP
climber
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Both ignorant and arrogant, and sounding like a total jerk besides. Watch the videos of the floods and explain to us refugees from the "trailer parks of Florida" how you cross those on a horse. The comment about unpaved roads absorbing water, implying that it's a significant enough amount given the microscopic proportion of the landscape covered by the pavement, is totally stupid. And so on.
The folks who suffered deserve solidarity and support, just like the victims of Sandy deserve and got. Don't be an a&&hole. Comment about setback policies all you want, but insulting the residents, which you did, is out of line.
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JohnnyG
climber
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Jan 13, 2014 - 04:39pm PT
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Actually, the flood was pretty big. In Boulder canyon, the flood wasn't especially large because half of the watershed was not in the area of most intense precipitation. In other watersheds just to the the north (like where Jamestown is) the flooding was extreme because the whole watershed was in the area of intense precipitation.
I taught a mini course on the flood, and I'm doing some research on the flood. So I've looked at it carefully.
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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Raining (pouring) again in Boulder. Something's definitely changed with the weather patterns. We got the monsoon in early May this year. Sh#t ain't right.
Lots of people say it (the flood) will never happen again. Bet they're wrong.
Garden looks epic but climbing is risky these days.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Agreed Fluffy. Looks for more flash floods this year plus landslides. The greenery around here is ca-razy good though.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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I'm just up the road in Longmont and it feels cool like San Francisco in the summer, overcast and raining. Hard to believe it was 93 degrees only a few days ago. It sure isn't the Colorado I grew up in, the summer weather is both hotter and colder than before.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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I'm just up the road in Longmont and it feels cool like San Francisco in the summer, overcast and raining. Hard to believe it was 93 degrees only a few days ago. It sure isn't the Colorado I grew up in, the summer weather is both hotter and colder than before.
Oh the weather wasn't variable in Colorado when you grew up? Interesting.
It would be interesting to see some real data to back up these claims that people think they notice (it's hotter, and it's colder, and it's wetter, and it's drier, ALL AT THE SAME TIME, ARGHHHHHH).
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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I admire your skepticism blahblah
And I'm not saying this never happened before
But I've been here since 90 and I've never seen native grasses up to my nipples in early June
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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In my case, I've been away for almost 50 so that could account for some of it. Also, I mostly spent my time on the western slope which seems to have more stable weather than the front range where mountains meet plains. My yard guy remarked however that the weather was crazy compared to his youth in Longmont when they had afternoon thundershowers which cooled things off most every afternoon in the summer.That's what I remember too, not days of rain in the summer.
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