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Helene Donovan
Social climber
Eldorado Springs
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actually the sewer lid is the population number which is 218 residents, over 105 signatures. At least 30 of the 218 residents are children under 16. The 500 number is everyone from the market to the state park entrance. The sewer lid is just where the Eldorado Springs elevation sign is.
I cannot speak for the rest of the community and their desires for the Post Office Building. I have no problem with the building use now. Christian has his climbing clothing company and Andy Mcewan uses the other spot for musicians to practice rest etc while working at the Crucible recording studio, which a lot of local musicians support.
Andy and Christian have both been long time Eldo residents and Andy has has his recording studio for a long time.
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pitbull
Mountain climber
Co, NY, WV
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IT IS ME The PITBULL!!! BACK OFF PEEPS. WHY ARE YOU BEING SO RUDE TO PEOPE JUST VOICING THEIR OPINION. THANKS FOR BLAMING ME FOR ALL THE HOSTILITY YEAH RIGHT IT IS ALL ME NO ONE PUT UP ANY CRUDE PHOTOS OR COMMENTS.
I'M DONE INITIALLY I WAS DOING THIS FOR SH#TS AND GIGGLES..BECAUSE I DONT GIVE A HOOT ABOUT CLIMBERS OR ELDORADO RESIDENTS AND THEIR ATTEMPT AT PEACEFUL NEGOTIATIONS GO FOR IT ALL OF YOU TEAR EACH OTHER UP. IM GLAD I DON'T HAVE TO BE NEIGHBORS WITH ANY OF YOU. THERE IS NO CLIMBING ON FLORIDA BEACHES IM OUT NOW TIME TO F*#K WITH SURFERS ALTHOUGH THEY ARE MUCH COOLER THAN CLIMBERS AND ACTUALLY PREFER LOCALS ONLY!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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^^^ the definition of rude.
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steve s
Trad climber
eldo
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Thanks Helene for providing the correct population figures for the "town" of Eldorado Springs and the Sewer LID (local improvement district). The residents served by the LID (218) are the ones affected by the proposal and the ones who have "voter fire power" in regards to this proposal.
Thanks Again for the numbers. Steve Sangdahl
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Helene Donovan
Social climber
Eldorado Springs
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I am sorry for the tension the AAC has stirred up between the climbing community and Eldorado residents( sewer lid 218). First off, the meeting on June 11 between the residents and Phil Powers was amicable and felt productive. So please many of you have friends and have lived here yourself off and on through the years. I used to host a thanksgiving gathering at my old place and many a climber would be there like Kevin Gallager,Wade, John and Beth...All great people who have been great neighbors.
Bottom Line the Post Office Building cannot accommodate the needs of the guests and the community simultaneously. The size of the lot and the AAC hostel are incompatible. Can someone answer what benefit a private club of 12,000 will have on a community of 218 already burdened by 350,00 park visitors a year and seasonal pool guests. The residents of Eldorado are just asking people respect our time as a neighborhood for at least 10 hours a day? The rest of the time it is everybody's gateway to the state park.
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Todd Eastman
climber
Bellingham, WA
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A yoga retreat would likely be OK...
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Helene Donovan
Social climber
Eldorado Springs
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there is already a yoga ashram
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Todd there already is a long standing Ashram.
I am sorry for the tension the AAC has stirred up between the climbing community and Eldorado residents Where as I am glad for the greater civility from the residents posting here I take issue with the repeated implication that the AAC alone has stirred up this controversy. It seems that a few vocal locals have had more than a hand in the conflict as well. It would be nice if you would be "transparent" enough to acknowledge this.
And please let's not forget how many times the larger climbing community has come to the defense of the residents of ES. Defeating the quarry and the super towers are just two examples that come to mind. The small population of ES residents would have not stood a chance in defeating these two terrible ideas without the strong support of the larger community of climbers.
And as thanks you have labeled climbers as deadbeats, pedophiles and other undesirables. How shameful and selfish.
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Dr. X
Big Wall climber
X- Town
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F@#K Coloradans, and their prissy "don't make Colorado like California" attitude.
I'm all for a 4 star, all inclusive, Hilton resort being built at the base of the canyon, and Gondola service to the crags. Just like Cham, baby!
No parking? That';s why they make D9 Loaders. No problemo.
O yeah, "Verve" baby!
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goatboy smellz
climber
Nederland-GulfBreeze
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Hey pitbull, I hate to break it to you but climbers surf in Florida too.
There is no escape.
Surfs up baby! Come visit me in Pensacola.
Yarrr!
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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. . . a community of 218 already burdened by 350,00 park visitors a year and seasonal pool guests.
i'm hearing a lot of variations on this theme from you es folks: buying property on a historic destination resort on the edge of a state park is apparently a helluva burden for you to carry. you seem to feel you suffer the torments of the damned.
you all bought property in a historic destination resort-- the only reason your property has any value now is because the greater climbing community and the state of colorado made the canyon into a public park. it's like the park is some imposition you have to carry for the rest of us.
i'm starting to feel like the state of colorado should've just let the free market and private property right work their magic and turn the damn thing into a quarry.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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The place was going to be a quarry, the houses would be worth nothing if the state didn't step in.
Kinda like buying a house ona golf course and getting pissed when golf balls hit your house or to many golfer show up on a weekend.
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climbski2
Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
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Finally looked in on this "colorado" thread.
roflmfao!!!
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ncrockclimber
climber
The Desert Oven
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I am sorry for the tension the AAC has stirred up between the climbing community and Eldorado residents...
I do not see it this way at all. Penn's response to the "community" was extreme and unpolished. However, based on the behavior I have seen from the ES residents on this thread, I can understand the sentiment that he expressed.
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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F@#K Coloradans, and their prissy "don't make Colorado like California" attitude.
lol, this is true. But its the Coloradans own fault for developing all the open space into condos. Who did they think would buy them? If its any consolation, Coloradans like people from the East Coast less. (I'm one, by the way, an easterner with a cookie cutter condo in Aurora) Although, there is enough population in Colorado already which is why I'm organizing a petition ....
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Janet Robinson
climber
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Just wanted to say Thanks to Mark Kroese and Phil Powers for returning my email today.
Very much appreciated.
Janet Robinson.
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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The way I look at it as a member of the larger climbing community, the AAC was representing climbers when it started looking for a place for visiting climbers to stay in the Boulder area, but especially at Eldorado Canyon.
This proposal was unacceptable to a number of residents in Eldorado Springs and they want it stopped.
Climbers, by and large, think it's a great idea, some residents think not.
The problem came about when the residents went on to justify their position, they ended up judging the entire climbing community, certainly a form of bias where all members of that community are judged one and the same, as basically a threat to the community.
If there is tension in the climbing community, it's over the characterizations that the Eldorado Springs posters have both implicitly and explicitly presented regarding climbers on this thread.
If (when?) I visit Eldo, my main impression of the people of Eldo Springs will be as they have represented themselves here.
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SalNichols
Big Wall climber
Richmond, CA
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I love this thread! you have a bunch of ES residents that likely partake in ground walnut shell colonics to clear their heads using a broad brush to characterize all climbers as undesirable visitors to their unpaved community.
Of course a few of these climbers are doctors, lawyers, physicists, intelligence analysts, engineers, politicians, wounded veterans, firefighters, policemen, writers, painters, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters. These are the people that stepped in to help save your canyon; and yet not a single f-ing one of them would be deemed to be a worthy visitor to this small community of NIMBYs. You are no better than the people that build a house next to an historic orchard, then bitch about the dust and noise from the farming operation while peach juice dribbles down your chins.
It is my fervent hope that the AAC bulldoze the PO building and erect a 10 story glass and concrete edifice that includes its own parking garage, with a mural of an erect middle finger painted on the side; and I only wish that because its slightly more likely to happen than a comet impacting in your piece of hell neighborhood.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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Bob D posted;
The place was going to be a quarry, the houses would be worth nothing if the state didn't step in.
Kinda like buying a house ona golf course and getting pissed when golf balls hit your house or to many golfer show up on a weekend.
Bingo!
A corollary in my mind occurred in Crested Butte last century. Outside investors and local spec builders developed an area to the immediate south above town called the "Bench". They built gaudy McMansions and architectural abortions with walls of north facing glass to capture the beauty of Crested Butte Mountain. The owners of these totally out of character behemoths prided them selves so much in their vacation trophy homes that they kept all the lights on 24/7/365. They themselves only showed up once or twice a year though the empty buildings used energy non stop. OK private property build what you want I get it. Even though I thought the trophy homes were excessive and wasteful it was there right to squander money as they saw fit. Problem arose when these so called "locals" started trying to prohibit other's access to the long used hiking terrain of the Bench. A handful of well to-dos tried to pass city laws that would prohibit people from walking their dogs on the public lands around their property. It seems the mere thought that they just might see some doggie wee wee or puppy pies filled them with such dread that they were sure their own personal paradises would be ruined for sure. Thankfully the greater good prevailed and they all just got along..
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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laugh-worthy post above
Here's the deal, and it's pretty obvious. The AAC will build the hostel, and will pretend to "care" about the locals' "legitimate concerns".
There is no way this scenario does not unfold.
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