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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2013 - 04:59pm PT
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The comments here are pretty tame compared to the ones on the video and article in the OP. Ivan Greene made things worse with his response, which is the top listed comment on the video:
Just because it is his name doesn't mean its him... that poster even spelled it wrong, probably just someone trolling for drama.
Learn to be skeptical on the internet. ;D
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2013 - 05:00pm PT
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"While there is risk in exposing our dirty laundry, there is a greater risk in not acting to stop it...." ~ POPE BENEDICT XVI
huh, never thought Child Rape was just 'dirty laundry.'
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 25, 2013 - 05:11pm PT
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That was also signed "Ivan Green" so either he does not know how to spell his last name, he made a typo, or it weren't him.
I have yet to see anything official from Ivan.
coz, reenforcing a hold for preservation purposes is different than chipping holds into the rock. It is usually ugly and definitely unnecessary. I lost all psyche for one of the raddest caves in Utah when a friend got super motivated and put up tons of new lines... with a shocking number of the grips consisting almost entirely of glue. I like to think the fumes got to him because he really is a super nice guy and I've never heard a bad word said about him. But in my opinion those routes are not worth my time.
BUT, reinforcing Maple choss is entirely different than making holds in solid grainite with a chisel and hammer, especially when the guidebook you helped to write clearly says it is inappropriate.
And STFU with the cammo bullsh#t. Chipping holds is for pussies who don't know how to climb... simple as that.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 25, 2013 - 05:25pm PT
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Now your saying glueing is okay.
Yeah, that's exactly what I said...
It is usually ugly and definitely unnecessary
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Feb 25, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
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Apologies, I think the quote I posted was mis-attributed to Ivan Greene so I deleted it. It's at the very top of the comments and lots of people responding but I agree it's probably fake. I wouldn't want to be him now anyway.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 25, 2013 - 05:36pm PT
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Put your glasses on and read it again dude.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 25, 2013 - 05:45pm PT
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blah blah blah
Exactly what I was thinking.
There is an "un" in front of every "necessary" I typed regarding glue. Get it yet? Go have a beer and chill out.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Feb 25, 2013 - 05:46pm PT
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Having reinforced a hold with glue, on Desert Shield in JT, BITD.
Coz, you need to git yer ass over there and finish gluing. Might be about 20 yrs late, but still...that pile has great climbing on shitty rock. It's had stuff breaking off ever since it went up.
I'm not big on glue, but you didn't go nearly far enough with the glue on that one (if the intention was for a sustainable, repeatable route).
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 25, 2013 - 05:59pm PT
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i get it you are reinforcing holds
Nope, you don't get it. I am not reinforcing holds and I make it a point to avoid reinforced, glued, or chipped holds.
Seriously man, you need to learn to read if you are going to play here on the interwebs.
I never ONCE condoned gluing. I never once said it was "necessary." I said it was "UNNECESSARY." Here, does this help...
I DO NOT CONDONE GLUING OR CHIPPING. AND NEVER SAID I DO.
I find it amusing that you made all that up in your head and just roll with it. Feel free to delete your obvious misunderstanding to save face, I don't mind.
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OR
Trad climber
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Feb 25, 2013 - 06:00pm PT
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You better be laughing when you say STFU to my face, otherwise you could loose your life.
hahahahaHAHAHAHa here we go. A death threat?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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Go have a beer and chill out.
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kennyt
climber
Woodfords,California
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Feb 25, 2013 - 06:02pm PT
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I've been trying to find where Wes said he was into gluing holds
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 25, 2013 - 06:03pm PT
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It is entirely different. One is gluing, one is chipping. It doesn't mean I condone either. They are both disgusting and I have never indicated otherwise.
And if that was your premise, why did you misquote my other statement?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2013 - 06:05pm PT
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You see, Kenny, it's much more fun to view life in black and whites rather than the reality of the grey it is.
It is either ALL TERRIBLE and worthy of death, or it is common practice and should be done every day. Often, people cannot live unless rules are set out plain and simple for everyone to follow.
Glue on El Cap is like glue at new jack city is like glue at a quarry.
or at least, these are the arguments of people that don't actually do any rock climbing.
kind of reminds me of being 15 and talking to my friends about girls. Everyone is an expert in something they know nothing about :)
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2013 - 06:08pm PT
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heh. loose.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Feb 25, 2013 - 06:10pm PT
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Wes seems to have a pretty loose life already.
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Feb 25, 2013 - 06:18pm PT
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MOK, I don't know about WY but in NY chiseling is vandalism.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Feb 25, 2013 - 06:20pm PT
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kind of reminds me of being 15 and talking to my friends about girls. Everyone is an expert in something they know nothing about :)
That almost sent my coffee out my nose!
John
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Dropline
Mountain climber
Somewhere Up There
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Feb 25, 2013 - 06:25pm PT
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MOK, the cammo thing is lame. Is it ok to steal from the elderly if you are stealthy and do it in a way they don't recognize? Did you rape your dates in college after spiking their drinks with ruffees? I mean really, your dates wouldn't know. Ruffees make for good cammo, no?
Don't be lame.
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mechrist
Gym climber
South of Heaven
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Feb 25, 2013 - 06:34pm PT
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Oprah and Rosanne are entirely different... doesn't mean I think it is appropriate for anyone to do them.
Heroin and crack are entirely different... doesn't mean either of them are acceptable.
Murder and arson... hopefully you get the point by now... but I suspect you don't.
How's that beer?
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