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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 31, 2015 - 12:59pm PT
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Wrong Reilly, sorry.
Reilly, I don't think you understood my point, which is if you are in a situation in which you are discussing something very technical, in which you don't have that technical expertise, how do you decide?
Most times, one is stuck relying on technical experts to guide you.
I think it is very difficult to say, as a non-military expert, that you will ignore the advice you are getting that says that not approving a program will result in making the entire air fleet obsolete and easily vulnerable to enemy aircraft and anti-aircraft weaponry.
Your call.
I also think that it is fallacious logic to look at things AFTER the fact and ascribe much to the correctness of decisions beforehand. You didn't have that information before, so you can't point to it after.
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John M
climber
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Oct 31, 2015 - 01:05pm PT
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I've seen it in the corporate world, Reilly has seen it in the military, we have all seen it in politics.. The meanest, dumbest, basest people rise to the top. Somehow we have to figure out how to get rid of these people.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 31, 2015 - 01:19pm PT
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Ken, you don't get it. The strategic bomber is NOT a technological answer
to an existing problem. It is a solution in search of a problem that went
away years ago. Strategic bombing is kaput, capisce? Strategic bombers
have almost a ZERO survivability rate against any foe other than Bumfukistan
and a cruise missile can perform the same mission at a fraction of the cost
with no personnel risks. What part of that don't you get?
Read it twice if you have to, then you can feel like a general if you still
don't get it.
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John M
climber
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Oct 31, 2015 - 01:27pm PT
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I believe what Ken is driving at is how does someone with little or no military experience refute the military hierarchy in what the military needs. I believe what you say about the bomber, but how do I know that you are correct about its survivability except that I trust your opinion. Especially when the military establishment is saying its needed. Thats partly why I haven't had a very strong opinion. I don't feel that I am expert enough to have one. What you say makes sense to me and I have heard it before, which is why I have been against the bomber. But not strongly against it because its difficult for someone without military experience to stand up to the military establishment. So the thinking is to let them hash it out, hoping that they decide wisely. When they prove that they can't decide wisely, then we have to move to get rid of them.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 31, 2015 - 02:27pm PT
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the thinking is to let them hash it out, hoping that they decide wisely
History is unblinking and quite unanimous that 'deciding wisely' is not what
the Pentagon does. They decide selfishly and nihilistically, but rarely wisely.
I strongly encourage you all to read
Boyd, The Fighter Pilot Who Changed The Art Of War.
It should be sub-titled "How Stupid, Short-sighted, and Mendacious Can Generals Be?"
Or, "How the Pentagon works to the detriment of the American people."
Boyd single-handedly changed way aerial combat was fought. Then he single-
handedly changed the way aircraft are designed. He also changed the way
ground wars are fought - SINGLE-HANDEDLY!
Then he single-handedly created the Pentagon Reform Movement. Then they ran him
out of Dodge - mendacious nihilists DO NOT LIKE honest men of principle.
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HermitMaster
Social climber
my abode
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Oct 31, 2015 - 03:27pm PT
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We don't control world events.
--Crankaloon
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Oct 31, 2015 - 05:10pm PT
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HermitCrab wants war. He wants to go to the front lines. He'll go instead of your kid.
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Contractor
Boulder climber
CA
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Oct 31, 2015 - 05:24pm PT
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These mouth breathing dudes that exert their personal shortcomings through tough-talking blowhards and the notion of American exceptionalism all have secret boners for a shirtless Putin-it's so weird!
I guarantee you, Putin will get quagmired in the middle east, screwed in Ukraine, and fuked, in the end, by the humble law professor.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 31, 2015 - 05:51pm PT
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I guarantee you, Putin will get quagmired in the middle east, screwed in Ukraine, and fuked, in the end, by the humble law professor.
Exactly the strategy of our president. and the mouth-breathers think he's getting played.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 31, 2015 - 08:57pm PT
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Ken, you don't get it. The strategic bomber is NOT a technological answer
to an existing problem. It is a solution in search of a problem that went
away years ago. Strategic bombing is kaput, capisce? Strategic bombers
have almost a ZERO survivability rate against any foe other than Bumfukistan
and a cruise missile can perform the same mission at a fraction of the cost
with no personnel risks. What part of that don't you get?
Read it twice if you have to, then you can feel like a general if you still
don't get it.
Reilly, you must not have been reading my posts for long. If you had, you would see that I have been posting against these types of programs for a LONG, LONG time.
However, it is easy for you to post, and for me to post, when we don't actually have the responsibility.
I have seen you post that you had some military experience. I don't translate that into brilliant strategic training, or acquisition strategy, or planning strategy in war.
Maybe none of these guys know what they are doing. But I don't think you dismiss all generals and admirals out of hand. This starts to cross over into "magical thinking".
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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Oct 31, 2015 - 10:15pm PT
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More good links, HFCS. She's a baddass.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Oct 31, 2015 - 10:22pm PT
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+1 werner I watched both videos zzzz..
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Jim Clipper
climber
from: forests to tree farms
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Oct 31, 2015 - 11:24pm PT
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Seems to be a bit of a game for oil. Get efficient, support sustainables, refrain from enjoying lower prices at the pump, etc., and maybe we'll see the destabilization of a few mid-asian fundamental regimes, and one old school north-asian oligarchy. China, well, they're getting busy in the east.
p.s. this latest episode has probably been happening since around WWI, and the whole mechanized war, industrial economy thing.
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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She sees conspiracies that I don't,
crankloon go take ur meds dude..
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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DMT,
I think one adds in
4. What are the operational vulnerabilities to the enemies it might encounter?
And I'm not sure how you could plan on the basis of the enemy that you hope to face--natives with spears?---as opposed to the Chinese or Soviets (or proxies).
I think that #4 drives these updates and acquisitions more than anything else.
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High Fructose Corn Spirit
Gym climber
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Crankster, re: Abby Martin, pretty much my sense of it so far too. But I hardly know of her. Could be coincidental but she keeps popping up from time to time in my internet travels.
I'll keep an eye on her though. :)
.....
Nature, glad you enjoyed the links.
Bill Maher's great. Proud libs unite!
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Reasons to return to a Republican administration = 0
U.S. employers went on a hiring spree in October, according to government data released Friday morning, adding 271,000 jobs after several months of disappointing growth.
The number blew past analysts’ expectations of about 185,000 positions, a welcome sign that the American economy so far has been able to withstand headwinds from abroad. The unemployment rate dipped to 5 percent, and wages rose at the fastest pace since 2009.
“It was pretty strong," said Steve Kyle, an economics professor at Cornell University. “Nobody should come away from this report frowning and thinking that would have been better.”
The surprisingly robust data provides more evidence that the job market is nearing a full recovery six years after the recession officially ended. The jobless rate peaked at 10 percent in 2009 and is now closing in on what many economists believe is its lowest sustainable level.
October's job gains spanned a broad swath of industries. Administrative and support services added 46,000 workers, slightly topping the number of jobs added by the health care industry. Retailers and restaurants added more than 40,000 positions each, while construction employment increased by 31,000.
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nature
climber
Boulder, CO
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as opposed to seven years ago when we were losing 80,000 jobs a month. Yeah, let's make america great again.
f*#king mouth breathers.
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