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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Jul 24, 2012 - 07:29pm PT
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Yeah, but most Swiss have a pretty good life without too many worries.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 24, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
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Wade Icey is right.
LEGALIZE CHEESE!
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michaeld
Sport climber
Sacramento
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Jul 24, 2012 - 08:06pm PT
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Switzerland is very strict on it's laws too. No flippy floppy bullsh*t like here in America.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Jul 24, 2012 - 08:07pm PT
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cheese doesn't kill people. People with swiss cheese and guns kill people.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Jul 24, 2012 - 08:09pm PT
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There's a locally-made Mexican bathtub cheese that does.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 24, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
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Only pussy's carry a piece...I pack a bow staff and nunchuks..Nobody has ever f*#ked with me...!
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Don Paul
Big Wall climber
Colombia, South America
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Jul 24, 2012 - 08:43pm PT
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They're starting to SURGE.
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sandstone conglomerate
climber
sharon conglomerate central
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Jul 24, 2012 - 08:54pm PT
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The Swiss aren't going around waging unwinnable wars in Muslim countries. Could be a reason why they have it good.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 24, 2012 - 09:00pm PT
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CORRECTION:
Obama has signed not one but TWO laws expanding gun rights, one allowing people to take guns on Amtrak trains, and another allowing guns to be taken into national parks. He hasn't tried to renew the assault-weapons ban, or proposed a national system of gun licensing, or adopted any of the other changes advocated by those who oppose gun proliferation.
The NRA has President Obama in their back pocket.
They own him.
giggle
http://prospect.org/comment/13272
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Jul 24, 2012 - 09:38pm PT
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It seems the guy in CO gave very little evidence that he was going to go off. We won't ever be able to stop all the crazy lone gunmans that pop up every once in a while. But yes it is just as if not more important to try to control the crazy people as it is to control guns.
But it's a simple fact that if there are less guns with devastating potential around there will be less deaths when the psychos go off. Sure criminals can get them (drug gangs) but for the psychos who often obtain their guns legally and if they have 10 round capacity magazines there will be less deaths than 30 capacity magazines. Over time there are just fewer and fewer large capacity magazines available so that means less in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. I'm willing to have to load more often to save even just a few lives when these tragedies happen.
Luckily the guy in COs gun jammed or there would have been a lot more deaths. If a psycho has to reload it gives people a chance to run, it gives someone else with a gun or the cops and opportunity to shoot, or even someone brave enough to take him out with his fists a chance.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 24, 2012 - 09:50pm PT
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so sick of gun whacktards pretending that the solution is absolutely everyone everywhere should be carrying guns... this argument is too stupid for words
Yeah that would be crazy.
Who said that? Anyone on this thread? Or maybe just the little voice in your head?
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 24, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
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everyone starts screaming about gun laws....not the problem.
No, EVERYONE is not screaming about gun laws.
edit: Funny I posted this at the same time Shack posted his message above. Lots of little voices in people's heads saying different things it seems.
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
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Amen to that Cragman.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:04pm PT
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Dean...Safe guns is an oxymoron...
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:07pm PT
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FACT: Legally carrying a firearm is NOT for MOST people, because MOST people are not willing to take the appropriate training to make carrying a sidearm SAFE.
I also offer:
FACT: Legally carrying a firearm is NOT for many people, because many people would threaten or shoot someone's arse for an inappropriate reason.
I include myself in that category. :)
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:09pm PT
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Question - what guarantees someone who buys a gun today, one who is not deemed a whacko today, won't become a whacko tomorrow? So is this policy of don't allow whackos guns any good?
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Shack
Big Wall climber
Reno NV
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:12pm PT
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No, you wouldn't Crimpie. No way...
you might think you "want" to but you wouldn't, any more than you would beat someone with the tire iron you undoubtedly have in your car.
If that were true, I would have left a trail of bodies in my wake. ;)
Your morals, judgement, common sense and rationality do not cease to exist when you buy a gun.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:21pm PT
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After the Gabrielle Giffords shooting last year, no less a gun enthusiast than Dick Cheney said it was probably time to ban the kind of high-capacity magazine that allowed Jared Loughner to kill and wound 20 people and have figured in so many other mass shootings. Yet the NRA would have politicians believe that if they support even the most modest and thoughtful limits on guns, they will inevitably be defeated at the polls. http://prospect.org/comment/13272
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pazzo
climber
Vancouver BC
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Jul 24, 2012 - 10:50pm PT
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"High capacity" magazines are not the problem. That’s like saying that the government will restrict the total amount of gasoline a vehicle can fill up on JUST in case he decides to run from police.
Here in Canada our semi-auto rifle (AR-15 for example) magazines are limited to 5-rounds, and handguns are limited to 10-rounds (keeping in mind that the magazines come from the factory made for 30 rounds for the rifles and about 17 for the handguns, depending on calibre). The only thing (besides the law and your guilty conscience) that prevents us from loading up to 30 rounds, is a small, insignificant aluminum rivet, which can be popped out in about…2 seconds. Does the government know this? Yes. Does every single Canadian gun owner know this? Yes.
So why do we legally have to have our magazines pinned to 5 rounds? To pacify soccer mum’s and elementary school principals and other people who have absolutely NO clue how these things really work. They just think it’s safer cause the government says "but they can only carry 5 bullets in one magazine." So the commoners think it’s less lethal. HAHA.
Furthermore, how many bad guys are going to shoot up a school with a 5-round magazine? NONE. They are going to shoot the school up with a stolen weapon which comes with the illegal 30-round mags. And if for some strange reason the bad guy were to use a registered weapon with a magazine pinned to 5-rounds, he would have punched the rivet out first (remember, it takes 2-seconds to punch it out).
Besides, limiting magazine capacity will only cause people to get reeeally good at mag changes:
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