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Gary
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"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Are not some of those new laws a bit socialist?
If they were, why would that be bad?
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Must not really be a bookworm.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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apogee - the article bookworm linked VERY CLEARLY quotes Ms. Fluke's statement that said the school policy DID make some exceptions for coverage contraceptives for non-birth control uses.
He didn't even bother to READ the text, it appears. How else to explain the "pants on fire" comment?
It is so tiring, all this idiocy. You know, when I read ann article from a left-wing source, I see if it makes sense. Often times media puts a spin on things - on all sides of the coin.
It is up to ME to decide if I agree with the perspective they are showing. At times, it is easy to be mislead, especially if there are outright incorrect facts stated. But I don't just click and forward a link from some source without making my own analysis of what it contains.
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apogee
climber
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bookworm, like most of the rest of the RR ST Repugs, are desperately grasping at something...anything...that helps them escape the creeping reality that their whackjob GOP politics are only appealing to themselves, and that Obama is going to be their POTUS for another 4 years.
Edit: Yes, happi...that's quite clear, isn't it?
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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So, like Chauncey Gardiner, Rush "likes to watch"? Just about the only thing the two have in common.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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"He may be criminally indicted"
Uh, no. But she should sue him and his company for slander and defamation.
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apogee
climber
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Oh, brother.
Try again.
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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So, Rush Limbaugh flapping his gums in a demeaning way towards a woman is wrong but taking $1000000 from Bill Maher who routinely refers to women as c#&%s and worse is okay?
who took a million dollars away from Bill Maher?
No one took it away from
Where did you get that from?
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Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
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rectorsquid said:
The conservatives don't like Obamacare. Are not some of those new laws a bit socialist? Maybe I don't understand how guaranteeing that every person in the country has something and is forced to pay for it is not socialist. I guess that if the gov doesn't actually own the health care system, it's not actually socialism, is it?
Well, I have to disagree with your contention.
The ultra conservative Heritage Foundation fully supported the individual mandate you refer to.
Both Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich also are on record for supporting the individual mandate, which of course is THE mechanism that enables 30 million Americans who currently do not have any health insurance, to have insurance.
I submit that the only real reason conservatives don't "like" the Affordable Care Act is that it was passed by an elected Democratic congress and signed into law by a Democratic President.
It has been obvious to everyone for three years now that these Republicans will automatically oppose every Judge he nominates, every women's initiative, every plan to help the unemployed find jobs, every single utterance of Obama's they are against.
And that sophomoric and relentlessly childish opposition is increasingly seen for what it is by the voting public, in your face obstructionist without valid rationale.
The true test will be in November when all of America gets to vote for or against the Democrats and specifically Obama.
I like the President's chances, Obama currently leads any Republican challenger by eight percent.
And he has not even begun to actively campaign, and they are in full swing.
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Charlie D.
Trad climber
Western Slope, Tahoe Sierra
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^^^word, the deepest recession of our lives and the GOP will go down in flames. what is wrong with you republicans, why don't you give us independents a choice? You've been hijacked.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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I think a cage match between Limpnuts and Fluke might generate a big pay day on HBO...?
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Largo
Sport climber
The Big Wide Open Face
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Truth be known, politics will virtually always follow the power and the money. The ultra right wing back a buffoon like Rush because he holds out the slim hope of increasing their hold on a little power and a lot of money. Take the promise of political and financial gain out of the equation and Rush is left alone to once more get whacked on Oxy and to flag down questionable sexual encounters in the Domincan Republic. The idea that Rush is the champion of some viable moral code or set of true values is one of the most demonstrably preposterous claims in current politics. He's a whack job and a zealot.
Let him go. Move on.
JL
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apogee
climber
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I'm currently listening to a(nother) piece on RL's yellow custard spray, and his influence on the GOP. The now infamous soundbyte of RL's quote was played, which has Peter Gabriel's
'Big Time' playing in the background. I thought that was odd...can't imagine PG being ok with RL using his music under any condition. Did a little googling, and voila!:
Peter Gabriel to Rush Limbaugh: Don’t Use My Tunes
Posted on Mar 7, 2012
Pulling the plug: Musician Peter Gabriel isn’t happy to be played by Rush Limbaugh.
Next time Rush Limbaugh wants to play the bully, he might need to play something other than Peter Gabriel’s music for a soundtrack. The musician’s reps posted a statement on Gabriel’s Facebook page noting that he was “appalled” to hear that Limbaugh had spun the tune “Sledgehammer” while besmirching Sandra Fluke’s honor last week during his attack on her appeal to Congress for contraception coverage. Guess that means Gabriel’s “Big Time,” another staple on the right-wing rabble-rouser’s show, is also off-limits, obliging Limbaugh to perhaps look beyond the ’80s for musical inspiration. —KA
“Lifeline Live” on USA Today:
The statement adds, “It is obvious from anyone that knows Peter’s work that he would never approve such a use. He has asked his representatives to make sure his music is withdrawn and especially from these unfair aggressive and ignorant comments.”
http://www.truthdig.com/arts_culture/item/rush_limbaushs_latest_loss_peter_gabriels_music_20120307/
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rectorsquid
climber
Lake Tahoe
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socialism... If they were, why would that be bad?
Because socialism is bad, maybe.
It's just an opinion but there is no reliable evidence that socialism is better than any other economic system. Except maybe for the dirt poor who reap the benefits of other people paying their way. But for the society as a whole, the jury is still out on whether socialism, capitalism, communism, or any other economic system, is any better than any other.
If we knew what was best, we wouldn't dick around with all of these 4 and 8 year experiments that keep producing mediocre results. As soon as we have some success for a few years or even a few decades, we find that there was a flaw in the system that was hidden until it got bad enough to screw up everything. Sometimes the flaw is political where we all make money and eat well but then piss off someone enough to make them blow something up. Sometimes we see incredible growth that makes everyone happy until we discover that the growth was because of huge financial risks that ends up failing.
I don't feel like spending my middle age years watching politicians experiment with my future. I'd rather not retire in a box because we went socialist and it didn't work out. But then again, the experiment in giving home loans to under-qualified buyers didn't work and that screwed me too. Plus, blatant capitalism that screws the poor and forces people to work for low benefits without healthcare is what made this country as powerful as it is today. So, hell if I know what will work. I just fear change.
Dave
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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Because socialism is bad, maybe.
It's just an opinion but there is no reliable evidence that socialism is better than any other economic system.
Thanks for answering, nobody else ever does. I've been asking that question since the eighth grade.
There is some reliable evidence that democratic socialism is a better system. Google Forbe's Magazine's list of the best cities to live in. You'll note no US cities on that list, and a huge heaping of Euro socialist cities.
Except maybe for the dirt poor who reap the benefits of other people paying their way.
Then there's the uber-rich who reap the benefits of other people paying their way.
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dirtbag
climber
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DT, you really are something else.
Are you capable of seeing anything in the world in shades other than black or white?
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Gary
climber
"My god - it's full of stars!"
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The "card-check" debates in the US Congress reminded me of my own experiences with trade unions in the USSR, where organized labor was part of the official establishment and union membership was universal and mandatory. It also reminded me of how that system's seemingly magnanimous goals - fairness, economic equality, and social justice - in real life brought forth a rigged game of wholesale corruption, forced inequality, and grotesque injustice.
Years later, the same Orwellian misnomers are catching up with me in America. One of them is called "Employee Free Choice Act" - a legislation that deprives workers of free choice by replacing private balloting with publicly signed cards in the presence of pushy union organizers.
Whoever wrote that has either never been involved in a union organizing election, or is just a bald-faced whore for Wall Street.
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dirtbag
climber
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You mean like your fallacious implication that Ronaldus Magnus was a Nazi sympathizer?
Never said that dude.
But that photo does show a shocking insensitivity. It was a low point in his presidency.
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