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Michelle
Social climber
Menlo
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you know, I've noticed a real trend towards sobriety among my contemporaries. still a few left in the bottle, but there is hope for them too.
"normies" I just canNOT comprehend you people..
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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The message was pretty clear. this could be you hooked up to a machine w/ no heLTH ins racking up bills to dump on the family and dying a horrible slow death. Stomach ulcers and acid reflex also worried me a lot as I experienced both regularly.
When you're dead you're dead, no one can collect.
if you have assets at your death, the debts will be subtracted before anything is disbursed to your legatees, but, that's a little different from saying bills are "dumped" on anyone.
Actually if you die with bills greatly exceeding your assets, you've sort of won.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
New York, NY
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Well....that's one way to look at it. But what of the person hooked up to the machines, still in the body, as bills pile up, creditors call the family, and such?
The body is quite incredible - Like an old Timex, it often takes a licking and keeps on ticking. Death by alcohol itself is usually a very slow, and painful process - even before the liver failure, brain damage and/or mental illness kick in.
That imagery got Tradman to quite - yay for that! There are plenty of people in similar situations. Yay for them!
I also quit, for about a year, after one not even particularly bad drunk. In that year I got my sorry ass out of small town Nowheresville and became a designer in New York City. For me, though, I picked up one night, new in the city, and uncomfortable at a party with my new room mate. It took another few years to realize I was back in an alcoholic state.
When I got sober in AA, I realized that I had been believeing I was sober for something like 5 years. I had somehow *forgotten* to count all those nights of a few drinks here and there(they were drunk nights, not just a single glass of wine type mights).
Funny, how the mind works....
The good news for me is that earlier this week I had probably THE worst day, emotionally, I have had in years, and I got through it. I am actually still recovering from it now 4 days later - still very emotionally tired, and with some painful awarenesses that I am not sure how to address. But it simply did NOT occur to me to drink during that time.
If I pick up, then I lose anyway. I am fully cognizant of that. Without picking up, I have a chance.
For that, I am grateful.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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I got through the loss of a parent without drinking as well as a personal emotional low blow that was an 11 on the ricter scale. drinking because of bad event is just an excuse to drink. It Never makes it better. Drinking NEVER brings the loved one back or changes the circumstances in any good way. The only circumstances that change by drinking are your own and it is ALWAYS for the worst. At the very least you wake up minus the mony you spent drinking...
I am so lucky these days i did not even think about drinking when mom died even though I have family so clueless that they still offer me drinks...
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Gene
climber
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10 alcohol free days. Digging it!
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Mark Hudon
Trad climber
Hood River, OR
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Good work, Gene.
Three months for me on the 1st!
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couchmaster
climber
pdx
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Nice job Gene. I went all day Sunday without a drink. First time in a long time. Woot! Not joking here either. I said no and it stuck. There was wine in the sauce for the steaks, but I didn't taste it and there was no alcohol. Didn't use much anyway, steaks that taste that good should just be lightly salted and "Hank'ed" down.
"Hank" shown below, no relation to the person who started this thread, we got the dog from a rescue shelter and he came with the name:
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xtrmecat
Big Wall climber
Kalispell, Montanagonia
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Go Gene Go. Good for you. Time to send soon also?
Burly Bob
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Gene
climber
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Burly Bob - First steps first.
Thanks all!
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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I think it finally happened this weekend, and I am gonna give up beer. I have only drank a couple beers a month for the last couple years, but REALLY wanted one on saturday. Cracked open a Sierra Nevada and it tasted like sh#t. Hell, sh#t tastes better than that foamy swill. F$%#!
Enjoyed a glass of Wild Turkey 101 after the bad beer experience. Followed by finishing off a bottle of Jack Daniels. Went to the store and bought a bottle of Jim Beam sunday and can't wait. Beer f*#king blows, I am done with that sh#t.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Well, at least you know what you don't like...
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Enjoyed a glass of Wild Turkey 101 after the bad beer experience. Followed by finishing off a bottle of Jack Daniels. Went to the store and bought a bottle of Jim Beam sunday and can't wait. Beer f*#king blows, I am done with that sh#t.
Obvious troll, no real whiskey drinker would drank those crap brands (JD used to be drinkable until they started watering it down).
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pat
Trad climber
estes park
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Sweet Atchafawhatever, did you know they have I.V. vodka in hospitals? You wont have to worry about the beer.
-Patrick
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Vegasclimber
Trad climber
Las Vegas, NV.
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Congrats to you guys that are just starting. Keep with it - it's going to get better and worse, but in the end it's going to be amazing.
One piece of advice that I will share with you that helped me a lot, is to identify and recognize your "triggers."
Triggers are excuses that you use to pick up. They can be certain times, i.e. "When I get home from work on Friday I always have a beer."
Triggers are usually situational though, you drink when you're in a bar, you drink when you get dumped, you drink when you feel insecure etc.
Sitting down and listing your triggers will help you recognize them for what they are, and hopefully assist you in avoiding them. Remember the simple rule: if you don't pick up the first drink then it's impossible to get drunk.
Keep up the great work!
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atchafalaya
Boulder climber
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Blahblah, no troll. I love Wild Turkey and the others. Yea, I include Maker's Mark, Knob Creek, and many others in the line-up. Your opinion is important, so what say you on good whiskey brands???? And none of that single malt horse-shit please. I like real american whiskey for my no carb diet.
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Mimi
climber
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Actually if you die with bills greatly exceeding your assets, you've sort of won. blahblah
Gee thanks for that irresponsible attitude.
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Gene
climber
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A former drunk, Chris Mullin, is going into the Basketball Hall of Fame. Way to go #17, the ultimate gym rat.
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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vegas climber. if you know when the triggers are gonna be there then a glass of ice water does the trick. Its all about haveing a cold drink in your hand at those moments.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Blahblah, no troll. I love Wild Turkey and the others. Yea, I include Maker's Mark, Knob Creek, and many others in the line-up. Your opinion is important, so what say you on good whiskey brands???? And none of that single malt horse-shit please. I like real american whiskey for my no carb diet.
Ummm, you kind of pre-busted me, I like scotch, preferably single malts. I liked (and still like) blends like Dewar's (or Walker Black or better for a treat) over ice with a splash of soda, but after getting into some single malts recently, they're just . . . better.
But if you've tried good Scotch and still prefer bourbon, more power to you.
For those of you who are better off without drinking (and that potentially includes EVERYONE who drinks more than very occasionally), good luck!
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tradmanclimbs
Ice climber
Pomfert VT
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Ocasionaly when folks act like total asses it reminds us why we don't drink.......
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