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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:25pm PT
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The NYT times has a 900 word limit. There is a lot more I could have added (including tables and figures) but had to be economical with words.
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Ward Trotter
Trad climber
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:27pm PT
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All the factors you cited in the list above amount to income , even including age.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 22, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
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age is independent of income.
(actually what I meant is that you can stratify separately by age and income; it's true that older people tend to have higher incomes)
I agree the other things are related to income, although not 100%.
Like Callie said, you can't go into much depth in an op-ed.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Dec 22, 2014 - 09:15pm PT
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Clint, I'm not sure age is entirely independent of income, although the relationship is nonlinear. Wealth and age have an even stronger correlation. In fact, many of the factors Callie uses as exogenous variables have multicollinearity issues, which makes for interesting statistical methodology problems.
Still, I find the results interesting and useful. I certainly don't find them a waste of time or money. Even if, as Ward suggests, we know the sign of the coefficient, I, for one, had no a priori idea of the value of the coefficient for, say, income as an explanatory variable of sexual violence victims.
The only criminology class I ever took was a class on "victimology," offered as an upper-division undergraduate class at Berkeley in its College of Criminology (no longer in existence). I'd be curious if there exists a subculture of victims or of perps of sexual violence. My victimology textbook The Victim and His Criminal (the title dates it nicely) suggests that there would be a subculture of victims. Any insight on that, Callie?
Thanks.
John
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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Dec 22, 2014 - 09:38pm PT
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Good article and I appreciate the attempt to get at the stats for something that is unpleasant for many to talk about.
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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Dec 23, 2014 - 03:50am PT
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Nice job, Callie! I found the piece to be quite informative, even with the word limit. Hopefully this will help to stimulate more research and more data collection and communication.
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Tobia
Social climber
Denial
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Dec 23, 2014 - 04:49am PT
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Kudos to Crimpergirl for having her research published, especially (as noted above) for a societal problem grossly neglected.
Having had relationships with two victims of sexual assault that went unreported, one a college graduate and one not, I would be frightened to know the statistics if these and all the other unreported cases were tallied.
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crankster
Trad climber
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Dec 23, 2014 - 05:23am PT
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What an excellent, relevant piece, Crimper...happy to have someone like you on the forum.
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Clint Cummins
Trad climber
SF Bay area, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 05:49am PT
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I would be frightened to know the statistics if these and all the other unreported cases were be tallied. The statistics in the National Crime Victimization Survey are closer to the true rates than the numbers from police reports.
This is because it is a household survey, so it will pick up crimes which were not reported to the police
(if the person is willing to report them to the survey interviewer).
It is this survey which makes it possible to estimate the fraction of these crimes which go unreported to police.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Crime_Victimization_Survey
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clinker
Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
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Dec 23, 2014 - 05:57am PT
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The story that is ignored. Rennison gets my vote.
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EdwardT
Gym climber
Discontent
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Dec 23, 2014 - 06:11am PT
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Nice piece, Crimpergirl.
Someone close to me recently served on a jury for a sexual assault case. Two young men (17 or 18) broke in to a woman's house. Their initial intent was robbery. They needed money. But after finding her in just her panties, they felt "obligated" to rape her. The defendant thought he would get probation, considering it was his first offense. He's serving a 20 year sentence.
Society needs to have an ongoing effort to educate people, especially young men, on the seriousness of sexual assault.
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Andy Fielding
Trad climber
UK
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Dec 23, 2014 - 06:22am PT
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It's not meant to be a criticism but I wonder how true this statement is.
But for my purpose this underestimation was unimportant since it was constant and therefore would not affect the relative differences between groups. Are women of different backgrounds whether educated or not more or less likely to report sexual violence? The fact that this happens at all is abhorrent and the key message for me was the following.
We have to stop blaming and shaming survivors, and to start holding perpetrators accountable.
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skcreidc
Social climber
SD, CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 06:30am PT
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Thanks for posting this up Greg. I would have never seen it if you hadn't have done this.
I thought it was a well thought out piece, Crimpergirl. I have never seen this data pulled together in this way. The findings are not really surprising, but ignored which is the real tragedy. I had my wife and college aged daughter read it and they both agreed and thought it was a good op-ed. Nice job and thank you for doing the piece.
Chris
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The one risk factor that remains consistent whether women are advantaged or disadvantaged is age, and women ages 16 to 20 are sexually victimized at the highest rates.
Changing this will take a major cultural change with males and what it means to be a man, which would essentially "solve" the entire problem.
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Crimpergirl
Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:02am PT
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I am running out the door so this is short.
Andy - in regards to the "reporting" comment. There are two types of reporting. One is reporting to the police. We know that does differ by victim characteristics. Also, for those who do not know, these data are not based on police reports - they are taken directly from people in their homes.
What I'm speaking of in that statement is that to the extent that the NCVS undercounts RSA, it is likely that it undercounts for both college and non-college females equally. Maybe that is not the case... there is no way to know. Still, I don't see a reason that college v. noncollege females would differentially report to the survey.
Hope that helps.
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micronut
Trad climber
Fresno/Clovis, ca
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:10am PT
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A heartbreaking topic Callie but beautifully put together, well thought out and organized. I have a daughter headed off to college next year, and honestly I have been thinking about it a bit. Your piece takes a broader view of the problem in general and really put things into perspective for me from a humanity standpoint.
I have often wondered where the United States ranks among other countries, and I have always believed that a less developed country like India, Eritrea or the Congo must see higher rates of sexual assault than more developed nations.
Would you assume a greater disparity between developed and undeveloped nations than even here in the socio-economic spectrum you studied here in America?
Again, congratulations on a nice publish and a great article. I hope much good and insight and awareness comes from it.
Scott
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujò de la Playa
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:50am PT
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How did you know it before Crimpie's research verified it?
I know it's true because Crimpergirl's research verifed what I already know to be true.
So I guess her research was worthwhile afterall. You'll get a bill for it as a supplement to your property tax bill.
BTW, just how wealthy are you? I ask only to assess your potential for becoming a rape victim.
When confronted by a would-be rapist, just don't put your head down and retreat like a confused football player.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:57am PT
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micronut, aside from Europe any data would be wildly unreliable, at best.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 23, 2014 - 07:58am PT
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Well said! Illuminates poorly-lit aspects of an issue society ignores at its peril. As father of a young adult daughter I applaud your dedication to tracking and shining a bright light on violence in our society and its impact on those often least able to defend themselves.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Dec 23, 2014 - 08:18am PT
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Callie's a rising star in her field, actually has been for some time. This NYT piece is a fine step in putting her research to good purpose.
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