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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there, say, john m ... saw a bunch of nice pics from folks, of now share... thanks for sharing...
:)
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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Great post zBrown!
The thud we just heard was The Chief being pushed over with a feather after the knockout...
:-)
Erik
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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State snow courses just came in at 32% of normal. Looking more like ~45% in the Owens. Bleak...but the skiing's improved.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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The Chief...I wanna see you straddle a fence little buddy...rj
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Dingus, your ABCNEWS report posted above was from f*#king Feb 21st!
A lot has "precipitated" since then. Maybe not so dismal anymore? Especially after the past weekend.
The shock and awe water-police in this State are priceless. You can never win.
And that stupid little Delta Smelt needs to die off. Killing farms and farmers, man.
EDIT: I was wondering why, if there is no drought (is this different from a draught?), all the reservoirs in San Diego county, are at such a low level.
Is someone upstream or upstairs diverting all the moisture to make it appear that there is no drought in areas where people are easily fooled?
A couple of reasons. You guys get much less rain than Nor Cal, and depend on us to release the water from here through delivery systems to SO Cal. Which I have no problem with.
Maybe we're just waiting to let the storage facilities up here to get fuller before we release down to you guys. That'd be my guess.
We did get a great deal of water over the last week. The weekend was dumping.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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"And that stupid little Delta Smelt needs to die off."
After the Smelt which fish should we kill off next?
Sorry. I would rather pay more for my food.
Erik
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We have not received nearly enough rain and snow to catch up. Look up the reservoir levels. This drought has been going on for much longer than just this year. Wake up....
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de la Playa
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Maybe we're just waiting to let the storage facilities up here to get fuller before we release down to you guys. That'd be my guess.
That would be a bad guess.
If you're going to offer up opinions, take some time to research the issues under discussion.
Every water "authority" has a website. A good place to start would be with these.
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TGT
Social climber
So Cal
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You can't get a well driller to bid (or honor previous bids) on municipal work in the central valley now.
Farmers frantically trying to save millions of dollars worth of trees and other crops have bid the price per foot of hole through the roof!
At least someone's making something out of this.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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You're right about that Smelt, Labrat.
Wanting to fry the Smelt is indeed shortsighted.
Imagine the hit to the local economy should anything ever happen to that Smelt.
Every fall, fishermen from all over the world flock to the local area for the annual Smelt Run, all hoping to fill their stringers with Trophy Smelt.
The rest of the year, tourists keep the local economy humming, spending their money on one of the many Smelt Watching Tours.
All the people employed at the local Smelt Canneries will be out of work, exacerbating an already rotten economy.
The entire economy, everything from The Holiday Inn to Virgil's Bait Shop, owes its existence to the majestic Delta Smelt.
Long May You Run.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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bluey...I think you would be suprised by how many people would use the train...there's talk about a high speed train from LA to Bishop...rj
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Labrat, those number are not that bad. Especially because we have more water on the way this weekend, and probably more later in April.
I think we'll probably be o.k., but as for the future costs of our stupid 'bullet-train', that's a bit different IMO.
EDIT: bluey...I think you would be suprised by how many people would use the train...there's talk about a high speed train from LA to Bishop...rj
I doubt it. But isn't it funny there is no 'environmental impact' bullshit with this train, but s stupid smelt gets all the attention?
Think that maybe there are lobbying interests involved in both cases? California is rotten.
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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"Wanting to fry the Smelt is indeed shortsighted."
How about adding Spring-Run Chinook, Steelhead and Green Sturgeon to your list?
They are all species listed as “threatened” under the federal Endangered Species Act.
I would rather have these fish swimming in the Sacramento delta and up into the mountains as far as possible.
Erik
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labrat
Trad climber
Auburn, CA
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bluering
I'm not saying the recent rains are not welcome. So far I see it as too little too late.
It did seem to put a damper on climbing in the Emeralds this weekend. I believe there is about a foot of new snow in the last week. It was dry with no snow week before last. :-(
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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They are all species listed as “threatened” under the federal Endangered Species Act.
So was the Peregrine Falcon. It's simply bullsh#t, they'll never get de-listed. But I agree the Sturgeon and Salmon are valuable. More valuable than the Delta Smelt. The other fish feed on other fish, not the DS exclusively, if at all. Even been fishing in the Delta?
The SF Delta is a very healthy eco-system.
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Bob Harrington
climber
Bishop, California
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In my neighborhood, on Bishop Creek, South Lake storage: 0%, Lake Sabrina storage: 0%. I heard from a retired So Cal Edison employee that this is the first time ever that both lakes have been flat empty.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Not sure if anyone pays attention to this stuff, but as an avid fisherman, I do. But poaching is a huge problem in the Delta, and off the coast for Abalone.
The good news is that the Dept. Fish/Game is really on top of this shit! They busted a Russian immigrant group that was poaching Delta sturgeon caviar (you're supposed to take one/day of size, over 64 inches?) and selling it in Russian delis as Belluga caviar.
That is little baby sturgeon that never get born, aborted!!! And the populations of sturgeon are obviously directed affected. Not many people know that Shasta is loaded with sturgeon too. I've only got 2 from the DElta, and let them both go. Not really good eatin'.
Oh, and Vietnamese and Chinese immigrants have no respect for these bag-limits, trust me, I've witnessed it first hand. I saw a guy cut the fins off a bat-ray and just leave the f*#king there on a dock still alive. Really? Can't at least kill the damn thing too?
There are reasons we have reasonable limits on fishing. Abide by them.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Maybe if we managed to eradicate some of the introduced fish, invasive invertebrates and invasive plants species it might be.
Of course, but I was talking about overall quality of the water and flora/fauna. What invasive fish are you talking about? I heard conflicting accounts that the Delta Smelt is not indigenous, but others disagree.
The invertebrates are even a problem in local lakes now, freshwater. Came from Asian cargo boats they say. After people take their freshwater boats into the Delta and re-introduce them to lakes, the infection occurs.
And yeah, some of them can survive in brackish water, or freshwater.
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