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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 15, 2016 - 11:33pm PT
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If the remaining dem primaries were winner-take-all deals then Bernie might have a shot. But they aren't and he's already done.
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Apr 16, 2016 - 07:17am PT
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Oh Bernicrats. It's no use arguing with you. Your passion runs so deep, your ideology so pure. Ok, end of sarcasm.
I don't get it, to be honest. Maybe I'm too old for your revolution. Maybe you are all planning to run for congress. Good luck.
This campaign is getting heated. No surprise. 2 people vying for the highest office in the world, going all out. Emotions on high.
I still like Bernie. I'll vote for him if he's the nominee. You all do what you think is right for you, the country.
Now, I'm going skiing. Have a good day.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
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After Sanders, US would need to annex Iraq, with all its oil, to recover the damages (or may be just ship all all the new grads with free degrees in liberal arts and cat herding science to Iraq and let them built a new world there...)
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kattz
climber
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:44pm PT
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t boggles my mind that people would be against free healthcare and free education (yes i know you pay for it in taxes and nothin is free)
you want your neighbors to be sick and stupid or healthy and educated?
Don't forget free houses and transport. I heard it somewhere, already...wait it was the Soviet Union. Free cheese exists only in the mousetrap.
Like my communist theory teacher used to say shorty before it all collapsed: "We can't build Socialism until human nature changes. To build it, people should feel no greed and voluntarily minimize their needs and maximize their contribution. Right now, though, if you bring a truck of stuff, everyone will try to take as much as possible."
Good luck with that. For now, you will need to turn people into slaves. Making an extra buck? There's someone on drugs with 7 brats who can use it for sure...share or be jailed. Want socialism? Establish population quality control first with mandatory sterilization.
(oh and regarding free education.... even in the commieland, they had to do mandatory public works during school years, mandatory work assignments after graduation, and had to work like dogs just to pass difficult college entrance exams)
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:47pm PT
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"When I was a kid, school was free..."
You don't seriously believe that, do you, Chaz?
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:48pm PT
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Bernie people...answer two questions...how is Bernie going to pay for free college to all and what congress is going to pass the bill?
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apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
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Apr 16, 2016 - 12:50pm PT
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"Oh Bernicrats. It's no use arguing with you. Your passion runs so deep, your ideology so pure. "
Well, we can say the same thing about Trumpublicans, can't we? No amount of logic, reason, or sane discussion will sway them from their obsessive objective.
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kattz
climber
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Apr 16, 2016 - 01:06pm PT
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Hope the US won't end up with the frozen mummy of Sanders, on display in the White House...that's what these insane communist guys tend to like...the mausoleums. Mausoleum visit in Soviet Union was also free, by the way, just like everything else. Too bad it was mandatory as well, for some, like myself. Just like the mandatory medical exams for all...very understandably....have to make sure the slaves get their dose of preventative medicine, since you have to pay for their healthcare!
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kattz
climber
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Apr 16, 2016 - 01:37pm PT
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Lurkingtard
climber
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Apr 16, 2016 - 03:04pm PT
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You're sounding a little dense there bud.
Carry on.
Lol
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christoph benells
Trad climber
Tahoma, Ca
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Apr 16, 2016 - 05:08pm PT
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how about taking some of the funds away from the military, needless wars and ridiculous prisons?
that could pay for education and healthcare easily.
And there is no reason people still couldn't choose their healthcare, its not like we need to make everyone get the same coverage. If you want to pay $200 a month for nicer healthcare go ahead, but it is not right that people's entire financial life could be ruined by an accident, caused by someone else.
There can still be private healthcare providers and private college, alongside free healthcare and free college.
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christoph benells
Trad climber
Tahoma, Ca
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Apr 16, 2016 - 05:18pm PT
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think about the people at your local gear shop...
they make $20,000 a year, many can't afford health insurance,
they are your friends right? People you interact with, maybe even respect?
So Dan the shop guy is walking down the street, no health insurance, not because he doesn't want it, but simply can't afford it after rent, bills, gas, car payment...
Dan the shop guy gets hit by a deadbeat driver with no car insurance and breaks his legs.
Now Dan is in debt for the rest of his life, will never be able to own a house, never be able to afford college, can't buy a car, loses his job because he cant get to work etc..
You think that is ok? that in america in 2016, the land of the free, someone should be trapped in a false debt for decades?
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Norton
Social climber
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Apr 16, 2016 - 05:30pm PT
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Yes but
There are many that post on the political threads who just don't care about
people like Dan.
They stand firmly opposed to healthcare "help" involving government.
They oppose the ACA, they say too bad if you can't afford healthcare.
You must be a slacker, too lazy to get a job where your employer pays
it for you.
And if was signed into law by a Republican they would be cheering,
singing the praises of "taking personal responsibility" and opening up
"free markets and competition"
Many hope to graduate high school soon.
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christoph benells
Trad climber
Tahoma, Ca
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Apr 16, 2016 - 05:41pm PT
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You must be a slacker, too lazy to get a job where your employer pays
it for you.
this is the point of view that makes me the most angry,
what about young adults?
They don't have the opportunity to get a good job, where they could afford healthcare or have healthcare provided by their employer.
An 18 year old kid who comes from a poor family might have all the potential in the world, then something out of his control happens and his future is over before it even starts. Asinine.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 16, 2016 - 05:42pm PT
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I'm curious what the crackpots posting on this thread who equate Lenin with Bernie, thought of Bush when he bailed out the banks with taxpayer money in Oct 2008 to the tune of $700B? That was wealth redistribution on a mega scale. Capitalism for the working man...socialism for the rich.
We can't afford $15/hr minimum wage or health care and college education for all but we can bail out the greedy bastards who run the financial institutions when they fu*k up and we can afford to invade Iraq without any forethought about the consequences or how it would be paid for? You people are pathetic...
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Apr 16, 2016 - 06:10pm PT
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TT, you're quick with hyperbole on the Hillary thread and quick to take offense here when your guy is criticized. Daresay, sounds a tad self righteous.
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healyje
Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
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Apr 16, 2016 - 06:19pm PT
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I like Bernie...
I like Bernie's ideas...
I like Bernie's proposals...
I like Bernie way better than Hillary...
But Bernie can't win, can't push his ideas even if he did, and is the right person at the wrong time - Hillary is the right person at the right time and is who we need in the oval office.
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tuolumne_tradster
Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
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Apr 16, 2016 - 06:24pm PT
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Comparing Bernie to Lenin...now that's Hyperbole Crankman. I don't mind Bernie being criticized. He's not perfect. There are plenty of reasons to take issue with some of his proposals but the idea that Bernie plans to establish an authoritarian communist regime is ludicrous.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Shetville , North of Los Angeles
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Apr 16, 2016 - 06:43pm PT
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Good point Tradster....It doesn't matter who gets the nomination , Bernie or Hillary , both are going to hit a wall of fillibustering bitchy Republicans...I'll take Bernie...
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