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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 10:49am PT
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Ron won't answer stupid questions he's to busy giving stupid answers.
The guns are for killing American citizens that the dumb as sh#t "sovereign citizens" have deemed enemy combatants. That and for making up for an otherwise diminished manhood.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 13, 2014 - 10:56am PT
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So Ron is Bundy a common criminal?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 11:07am PT
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So Rongie when (not if) one of the weapons you've gleefully sold ends up being used to shoot and kill an innocent BLM employee driving home to his wife and kids will you blame Eric Holder or Hillary Clinton?
Did you get a chubby when the masked "patriRATS" threatened the BLM employee with guns and a sign reading "You need to die"? Is this what you are promoting? Is this repesenting your glorious revolution? If it is YOU are an Americunt!
I've got a present for you boi. Meet me behind the wood shed. Bring all the toys you want pissant it wont stop the epic bitch slapping you've earned.
Now go polish the hollow points Coward.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 11:15am PT
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You can't love and enjoy the outdoors (especially the mountains) and also own a jeep
Come on man that is real weak sauce. It's not the owning of a Jeep (or any 4X4) that is the issue. Lots of Colorado climbers have 4X4s and use them wisely. The issue is the way so many JEEP/4X4 owners use them. I hope you can acknowledge that misused 4X4s cause a lot of destruction. It's a case of where the barrel of rotten fruits spoils it for the few good apples.
Not unlike the gun issue wouldn't you say?
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 11:24am PT
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Two words for JRig...
Reading comprehension.
Get sum.
[Image showing Giger's "Birth Machine"; wikipedia.org]
ps for the few who have devolved their life into polishing their snub noses this isn't really where babies come from. For that you'd need a girl. Good luck with that.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 11:47am PT
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I know you disagree with my posts on guns but when it comes to having good reading comprehension,
Uh NO you don't!
Here is your post from just moments ago.
Im dramatic? What about philo? Or Ron? Here is the post you must have been responding to.
Jebus H Bomz
climber
Peavine Basecamp
May 13, 2014 - 08:13am PT
He's a wee bit... dramatic, Dingus.
Ohmigod, look at them look at me! Ohmigod!
I'm glad he's found his role as a mouthpiece for the pelt master though.
I did not use the term dramatic. You ASSumed.
Why do you tightie whitie right wingers always ASSume any point of view you disagree with is a personal attack aimed directly at you. If I say the jerk offs at Bundy Bunker are phucked in the head to aim their piss ant pea shooters at American citizens doing their job for the BLM why do you think I am insulting or attacking you? Did I hurt your gun's feeling? Or are you camped out at the oCOWpie MOOvement KKKompound? That would explain a lot!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 11:59am PT
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Oh I easily comprehended your back handed swipe at me but it came out of a misdirected defensiveness.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 12:05pm PT
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So why should my comments about them insult you?
Honest question.
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 13, 2014 - 01:47pm PT
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You're good jonny.
It's not about all gun owners at all.
For me it's about old man Bundy, and his reactionary militia anti government gun toters that are scary.
It's their misled belief that they are somehow more American, or more patriotic, or know more about the constitution, and most especially that they are willing to draw a bead on federal officers for a guy who has already had NUMEROUS failures in court that is the problem.
To me, that's what is scary.
Then Ron climbs in here and says that there are a couple purple heart vets involved, for which I've seen no proof, as though that justifies the whole thing.
He's an ex-federal officer himself, who has become virulently anti-government, and then celebrates how many guns and how much ammo he's selling.
Yes, it's a great day to be an American, to see that the government didn't smear these guys off the face of the Earth, proves to me what a tolerant government we have.
Freedom of speech, you bet.
Freedom of assembly, no problem.
Freedom to militarize the camp of a guy who has broken our laws for 20 years? Nope.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 01:50pm PT
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^^^^ Survival I couldn't have said it better myself.
Well maybe I could but at least now I don't have to try. LOL
Honest portion reply would be some bit of reaction to the general smearing of all gun owners as being related to these guys somehow.
I have tried to make a similar point to those who take swipes at me for my stance on gun control. They, through self imposed "guilt by association", think that decrying a gun nut means attacking them. Look at it this way if I decry a rogue bolter who retro bolts crack climbs that doesn't mean I am condemning all bolts or bolters.
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 13, 2014 - 01:55pm PT
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Great post Survival.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 02:05pm PT
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^^^ Great timing Bob D.
It allows me to make a salient point.
Bob D and I have an earned mutual respect though we do not agree on everything.
Our perspectives on bolting are very different. Bob has put up hundreds of quality bolted routes that thousands of climbers enjoy. I have put up a hand full of spicy trad lines that no one wants to repeat (until they are retro bolted that is. LOL).
But Bob doesn't hate me or think I make blanket condemnations of all bolters or him in particular. And I don't think Bob D is a rogue bolt nut.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 02:06pm PT
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Got It?
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Ghost
climber
A long way from where I started
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May 13, 2014 - 02:34pm PT
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I've got a present for you boi. Meet me behind the wood shed. Bring all the toys you want pissant it wont stop the epic bitch slapping you've earned.
Philo, you liked Survival's comment a few posts above. Maybe you should compare it to your recent post about beating the sh#t out of Ron.
Maybe think more and post less.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 03:07pm PT
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Dreljefe, Don't forget we need PatriRats like Rong.
Oh Look another anonymous coward speck of dust felt compelled to create another faux avatar to post one comment on a politurd thread.
Teutonic Guage
climber
May 13, 2014 - 11:25am PT
The Gauge of your teutonic case of extreme narcissistic personality disorder has been noted.
I'm surprised he didn't admonish every one for wasting their time.
Got Irony?
Why don't the lefties need to make multiple fake avatars?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 13, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
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Why don't the lefties need to make multiple fake avatars?
Because we've got you covering for everybody Philo!
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
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Oh No looks like big trouble in StupidiStan.
[quote]
BLM chief: Lawbreakers in Bundy confrontation will be held accountable
Dave Bundy, right, son of rancher Cliven Bundy, talks with a Metro Police officer while trying to get the BLM to release his cattle from their impound corral near Bunkerville on April 12, 2014. (Jason Bean/Las Vegas Review-Journal)
Neil Kornze, Director, Bureau of Land Management. (Courtesy US Dept. of Interior)
An armed civilian waits nearby in some bushes as the Bundy family and their supporters gather together under the I-15 highway just outside of Bunkerville in order to confront the BLM and demand the release of their impounded cattle on April 12, 2014. (Jason Bean/Las Vegas Review-Journal)
The Bundy family and their supporters gather together under the I-15 highway just outside of Bunkerville in order to confront the BLM and demand the release of their impounded cattle on April 12, 2014. The BLM corral with the Bundy's cattle is located to the left, or west, of this scene. (Jason Bean/Las Vegas Review-Journal)
Mel Bundy, son of Cliven Bundy, takes a picture of a temporary closure sign on federal land 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas Tuesday, April 1, 2014. Cliven Bundy runs cattle on the land. The Bureau of Land Management has been closing off the Gold Butte area near Bunkerville in preparation to remove what they call "trespass cattle" that Bundy runs in the area. (John Locher/Las Vegas Review-Journal)
A Bureau of Land Management ranger stands guard at the entrance of a staging area near Mesquite on Saturday, April 5, 2014. The Bureau of Land Management has begun to round up what they call "trespass cattle" that rancher Cliven Bundy has been grazing in the Gold Butte area 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas. (John Locher/Las Vegas Review-Journal)
Federal law enforcement officers block a road at the Lake Mead National Recreation Area near Overton, Nev. Thursday, April 10, 2014. In the foreground are the shadows of protestors. Two people were detained while protesting the roundup of cattle owned by Cliven Bundy on the road. (John Locher/Las Vegas Review-Journal)
Arden Bundy, son of rancher Cliven Bundy, flies the American flag on a hill overlooking the protest site near Bunkerville on April 12, 2014. Moments before, the BLM agreed to cease the round up of the Bundy's cattle. (Jason Bean/Las Vegas Review-Journal)
The Bundy family and their supporters fly the American flag as their cattle were released by the BLM back onto public land outside of Bunkerville on April 12, 2014. (Jason Bean/Las Vegas Review-Journal)
By STEVE TETREAULT
STEPHENS WASHINGTON BUREAU
WASHINGTON — The director of the Bureau of Land Management said Monday that lawbreakers will be “held accountable” as the agency pursues a new plan to enforce court orders against Southern Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy for illegally grazing cattle on public land.
Agency head Neil Kornze said the BLM now plans to act through the courts after its attempt to round up trespassing cattle was scuttled last month by the threat of violence
“Some folks did break the law,” Kornze said. “We are working hard to ensure that those who did break the law are held accountable.”
Kornze’s comments on National Public Radio were his first since directing BLM wranglers and armed agents on April 12 to suspend the operation to seize Bundy cattle in the Gold Butte area of Clark County. They were consistent with written statements the BLM has issued since the confrontation that day with Bundy and armed supporters.
Now, Kornze said, “we are going to work through the legal system.” He said his comments had to be limited because an investigation is underway. Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie confirmed last week the FBI has opened a criminal probe of alleged threats and assaults on law enforcement officers at the roundup.
Kornze spoke carefully when asked about Bundy during a short discussion on the network’s “Diane Rehm Show.” He said the Nevadan’s case was an isolated one.
“The context is important,” Kornze said. “We have 16,000 ranchers across the country that work with the Bureau of Land Management and have permits to graze on the public land.” Bundy has been engaged in a 20-year permit dispute that culminated in court orders for his cows to be removed from the range.
The rancher says the BLM has been trying to take away his livelihood, and he does not recognize federal government jurisdiction on the land. Armed supporters congregated at Bundy’s ranch on the eve of the roundup, and some remain. Meanwhile, protests over federal land control spread to neighboring Utah over the weekend, when nearly 50 people demonstrated against the government by riding off-road vehicles on an off-limits trail.
On another topic, Kornze said the BLM was working closely with Western states in advance of decisions by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service whether to list the sage grouse, a chicken-sized range bird, as a threatened or endangered species.
Such a listing would lock up millions of acres, prompting fears that mining, ranching and energy exploration could be declared off-limits.
Kornze said there are instances where activities are allowed to take place alongside endangered species on public lands, with Fish and Wildlife Services playing a large role in determining what is permissible.
“It is possible to continue working even if there is a designation, but it will have an impact and it will make things more complicated,” Kornze said.
In central California, grazing is allowed on certain allotments that provide habitat for the endangered giant kangaroo rat, San Joaquin kit fox, the blunt-nosed leopard lizard and the San Joaquin wooly-threads, a rare flowering plant, according to the BLM. In southwestern Oregon, streams home to the threatened coho salmon are managed for multiple uses, the BLM said.
Contact Stephens Washington Bureau chief Steve Tetreault at 202-783-1760 or STetreault@stephensmedia.com Follow @STetreaultDC on Twitter
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/blm-chief-lawbreakers-bundy-confrontation-will-be-held-accountable[/quote]
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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May 13, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
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So will somebody tell me why Obama, or whoever runs the government, is being
such a pussy about this? I mean, if this was a bunch of hippies in a park
they'd have been all over 'em, no? And it isn't like these wannabe Brown Shirts
are loyal taxpaying citizens, are they?
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survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
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May 13, 2014 - 03:54pm PT
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I think it's because there's a lot of anti-gov-Obama fury already.
The hippies in the park won't start and armed insurgency if you slap a few of them. Notice how no one in the occupy movement was walking around with semi-autos?
Oooooo, don't tread on me! See? Guns really are the answer to your problems.
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 13, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
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Dammit Janet they closed some of the Flatirons to climbing for the annual birdy season again.
They aren't the boss of me! They can't tell what I can't do!
I'mma gunna take my Bazooker up there an tellem who's da boss now.
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