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WBraun
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Dec 11, 2009 - 12:56am PT
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Do animals have a soul? All animals, or only some? If they do, do those animals enjoy the afterlife benefits that humans do if they accept Jesus?
Every living entity is an individual soul.
Do those animals enjoy the afterlife benefits that humans do if they accept Jesus?
Yes
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WBraun
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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If a Christian, or Christianity in general says no, doesn't that make that person or the whole ball o wax atheistic by your definition?
I thought I made clear in the previous posts.
Doesn't that make that person or the whole ball o wax atheistic by your definition?
Yes ....But that is the definition on the authority of the Veda not me.
I have no authority .....
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Gobee
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Los Angeles
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:07am PT
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The Resurrection Body
1 Corinthians 15:35-49, But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body do they come?” 36 You foolish person! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 And what you sow is not the body that is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain. 38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body. 39 For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is of one kind, and the glory of the earthly is of another. 41 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.42 So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. 43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.
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WBraun
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:14am PT
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Do animals have a soul in your belief system?
I already said this many times previous.
Yes
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Gobee
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Los Angeles
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:21am PT
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"Do animals have a soul in your belief system?"
I'd say yes! Our "Chicky" is family!
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WBraun
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:22am PT
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Excerpt:
"The influence of the atomic soul can be spread all over a particular body. According to the Mundaka Upanisad, this atomic soul is situated in the heart of every living entity, and because the measurement of the atomic soul is beyond the power of appreciation of the material scientists, some of them assert foolishly that there is no soul.
The individual atomic soul is definitely there in the heart along with the Supersoul, and thus all the energies of bodily movement are emanating from this part of the body.
The corpuscles which carry the oxygen from the lungs gather energy from the soul.
When the soul passes away from this position, activity of the blood, generating fusion, ceases.
Medical science accepts the importance of the red corpuscles, but it cannot ascertain that the source of the energy is the soul.
Medical science, however, does admit that the heart is the seat of all energies of the body"
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:28am PT
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"So does your "Chicky" enjoy all the afterlife benefits..."
I don't know? I hope so!
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:31am PT
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So how does this work?
Has Chicky accepted jesus as his personal savior?
If animals have souls do they go to the same heaven, or better yet what gets an animal sent to hell?
Only mammals? Do lobsters go to hell? Do tapeworms go to heaven?
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WBraun
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:36am PT
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Animals ar under the jurisdiction of material nature.
They act according to their true nature.
Humans can act as animals or as humans according to the consciousness they develop.
This heaven and hell thing is not really applicable to animals.
Besides, many people are in hell right here and now on this planet.
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:36am PT
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Would Chicky have to accept Jesus first?
Chicky is innocent, as well as children, and the handicapped, will all be in heaven!
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WandaFuca
Social climber
From the gettin place
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:38am PT
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Do they have mosquitoes in heaven?
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:42am PT
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"Do they have mosquitoes in heaven?"
I'd say no snakes!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 11, 2009 - 01:50am PT
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"This heaven and hell thing is not really applicable to animals."
I think Werner is right.
"How are the handicapped innocent? And what defines "handicapped"?"
Mentally...
"Do all animals go to heaven because they're innocent?"
All animals are innocent!
But as far as we are concerned, when you know that God forgives you through Jesus and you don't want anything to do with Him, Then you die, I'd say you were SOL!(Seriously Out of Luck)
But if your not dead, God is not done trying!
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 11, 2009 - 02:05am PT
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I Just don't know what happens to the animals, but Chicky is like us he feels and knows us and in a body like we are, and we love him!
Edit; I don't have all the answers, I just trust God that He know how to take care of everything, after all He made it!
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WBraun
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Dec 11, 2009 - 02:16am PT
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The important point is not religion but that the slaughterhouses be eliminated.
This will be the first step towards promoting peaceful existence.
Maintaining a mechanized animal slaughter which is very violent will just promote a general violent consciousness against nature.
Nature does and will retaliate .....
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Gobee
Trad climber
Los Angeles
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Dec 11, 2009 - 02:21am PT
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"Why has he kept that a secret?"
I get what I know from the Bible, teachers(of the Bible), and life. I have not read it in the Bible, what happens to animals, to say. It is a good question, and I'll ask some friends, to see what they say!
It's late, goodnight my brother!
Gobee
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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Dec 11, 2009 - 02:34am PT
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Someone here once advised me that cats are considered evil by Christians, or perhaps it was Mormons. If cats are evil, that must mean that they have free will, and have chosen to be evil - which means that they must have souls. Q.E.D.
Of course, my cat Loki isn't evil. Pagan possibly. Definitely not Christian. Occasionally wicked in thought if not in deed.
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TripL7
Trad climber
'dago
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Dec 11, 2009 - 03:25am PT
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Warbler!
"All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to the to dust. Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?" Ecclesiastes 3:21
Both humans and beasts die and go to the grave. But this is not the end for human beings-they will face eternal life or death.
Man is body, soul and spirit. Animals do not have a soul. They simply cease to exist.
But that does not mean that that God could not bring back our beloved animals/pets for us to share eternity with us. Nothing is impossible with Him. Several well known Christian writers, such as Billy Graham have written books about how our pets will be with us in "Heaven".
I just wanted to add that the first 1,000 years will be spent right here on this earth. And then He is going to create a new heavens and earth.
And it does state that the lion will lay down with the lamb. And the child will play with the cobra during that time.
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MH2
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Dec 11, 2009 - 03:40am PT
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Someone here once advised me that cats are considered evil by Christians, or perhaps it was Mormons.
MH,
Now that skytrain is introducing dogs to detect explosives a part of the Islamic community is concerned, mainly because recent contact with a dog would make it bad form to enter a mosque. A representative of that point of view was asking how much separation would be maintained between dog and human body: 20 cm? 30 cm? (CBC Radio yesterday morning)
Reading any good comprehensive history of religions should give anyone serious doubt about any religion. Yet belief persists in the extra-human for us to admire and take as an example of how to behave. All that's needed is the Golden Rule, or tit-for-tat. We could certainly use divine help, but if something is keeping watch out there, let it please tighten up its game.
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MH2
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Dec 11, 2009 - 03:43am PT
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All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to the to dust.
Our lives pass on from door to door
Dust across the wooden floor
Like feather rain and thunder roar
We need not know the reason
I Knew This Place
(David Mallett)
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