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crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 15, 2016 - 06:03am PT
I maintain Bernie will make a great speech on her behalf at the Dem convention if she's nominated. She'll do the same if he pulls it out.

The cabinet might be a stretch, yeah.
John Duffield

Mountain climber
New York
Apr 15, 2016 - 10:20am PT
So Senator Sanders flew to Italy, to address a Vatican conference and get a photo op with the Pope. Presumably, to help with Catholic voters.

But the Pope took off. To greet Muslims at an island in Greece. No photo op for Bernie. Unless he pursues the Pope to Greece. If he loses NY, as it stands now, the trip will probably be viewed as one of those YUGE mistakes, maybe even the level of Dukakis in the Tank.

Stay tuned.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-vatican-visit/index.html
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 15, 2016 - 10:23am PT
Bernie will endorse Hillary if he loses
and Hillary will endorse Bernie if she loses

I will vote for either



I was listening to Glenn Beck yesterday
Boy was he on a tirade against Bernie

Social Justice???
Economic equality???
Bernie's planned redistribution of the wealth through theft???
Free College education being paid for by the job creators-the rich!!!

He was having a seizure getting so worked about how bad these things are

He is just insane, a paranoid cartoon character, why is he on the air still.
dirtbag

climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 10:30am PT
And even beck won't vote for Donald.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 15, 2016 - 10:35am PT
According to Beck
Social Justice is code for Communism!!

What could be worse than Social Justice!!!!

He said this
If your church starts talking about social justice, just walk out and never go back

Everybody knows that Jesus hated social justice, it was worse that slavery!
Norton

Social climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 10:51am PT
Regarding Bernie

He really IS a lovable old grandpa character and how can young people not be excited about having no student loans, a $15/hr minimum wage, and when they read "universal healthcare" their brains are reading "free healthcare" on account of them being young enough to grasp cool concepts but lacking the maturity to realize that there is no free lunch.

What really strikes me with Bernie is his going with his Default pet campaign modes when faced with tough debate questions, his deflecting to his litany of statistics of wealth inequality and how bad the lower and middle classes have it in America.

It is becoming a more obvious cop out mechanism on Bernie's part and while I thank him for exposing a lot of Americans to his definition of Democratic Socialism, the only thing coming out of his White House would be the same as Hillary's White House and that is dinner parties and very occasional court nominations, the bottom line is that the Republicans will continue to control the House of Representatives and that means nothing, nothing will get done legislatively, even with a Democratic Senate.

It's all show and no go, courtesy of people who will vote Republican in November.
crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 15, 2016 - 11:11am PT
What was amazing is that he's railed against Hillary's Wall St. "connection", it's the foundation of his campaign against her, and when asked to name one instance where she's shown that supposed influence...he had nothing. Zippo. That was really unbelievable. She knew, of course, he had nothing.
Norton

Social climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 11:46am PT
She knew, of course, he had nothing.

as did those yesterday on this thread who could not name one instance

and instead did what Bernie did, deflected, changed the subject and pretended providing proof was not a requirement for substantiating their weak claim
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 15, 2016 - 12:03pm PT
May I ask a favor? Please don't refer to Mrs. Clinton as a bitch. It ain't right :)

I'll work on that, but to be honest, I really don't like her one single bit. That said, she is way, way the best person in the race for the job.
nah000

climber
no/w/here
Apr 15, 2016 - 05:20pm PT
no, she didn't know he didn't have anything...

bernie was unprepared and because of it he whiffed on a soft ball lobbed at him, that he should have hit out of the park...

so here you go Norton, sorry i wasn't around yesterday... this took about ten minutes of googling:

exhibit a:
hill's flip flop to support the tightening of bankruptcy laws in favor of the credit card companies over consumers, was documented by elizabeth warren in this famous clip here:

[Click to View YouTube Video]

exhibit b:
During 2007 and 2008, when the housing market collapsed and while she was also running for president, the Democrats controlled the Senate. Of the 140 bills Clinton introduced during that period, five were related to housing finance or foreclosures, according to congressional records. Only one of those five secured any co-sponsors. No Senate committee took action on any of them and they died without any further discussion.

exhibit c:
One senator tried desperately to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — but it didn’t go anywhere. Another pushed to give the Commodity Futures Trading Commission more authority. Clinton signed on to none of these bills, the record shows.

exhibit d:
essentially this article sums it up the best as far as i've seen: The junior senator from New York rarely signed on to bills related to the financial services industry — whether the banks supported or opposed the measures. Of the 189 Senate bills that their lobbyists identified as significant banking or finance legislation, she cosponsored only 25. “She was not a champion of the financial sector, nor was she an antagonist,” said one financial services executive who lobbied her while she was in the Senate. “The financial sector viewed her as neutral. Not helpful, but also not harmful.”



while it is true that hillary did very little that was outright pro-bank there is at least the tightening of the bankruptcy laws that bernie could have pointed to. but more importantly in the face of a [bill] clinton record that includes setting the stage for the economic crisis with the repealing of the glass-steagall and commodity futures modernization acts all the while hill claims to be a "progressive", her lack of essentially any significant action to curtail the big banking environment that led the u.s. to the economic brink, speaks louder than any words or votes possibly could.
Norton

Social climber
Apr 15, 2016 - 06:32pm PT

while it true that hillary did very little that was outright pro-bank


Which was my point

there is at least the tightening of the bankruptcy laws that bernie could have pointed

Which Hillary rightfully supported as the then present laws permitted loans to be made to people with poor credit history, contributing to the lax mortgage underwriting standards back then

Again, I don't the link of influence buying..


crankster

Trad climber
No. Tahoe
Apr 15, 2016 - 06:38pm PT
He whiffed because he's a sloganeer. He's trying to make it sound like Hillary is only winning the Deep South because it's conservative. Wrong. She's winning African Americans who he is disrespecting. He wants your $$ to keep coming by inflating his chances which are few.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Apr 15, 2016 - 06:47pm PT
Sloganeer.

[Click to View YouTube Video]
tuolumne_tradster

Trad climber
Leading Edge of North American Plate
Apr 15, 2016 - 06:49pm PT
Hillary is not releasing the transcripts from her $200K G-S speech but people who were there are starting to talk...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/wall-street-white-house-republicans-lament-of-the-plutocrats-101047?paginate=false

But Clinton offered a message that the collected plutocrats found reassuring, according to accounts offered by several attendees, declaring that the banker-bashing so popular within both political parties was unproductive and indeed foolish. Striking a soothing note on the global financial crisis, she told the audience, in effect: We all got into this mess together, and we’re all going to have to work together to get out of it. What the bankers heard her to say was just what they would hope for from a prospective presidential candidate: Beating up the finance industry isn’t going to improve the economy—it needs to stop. And indeed Goldman’s Tim O’Neill, who heads the bank’s asset management business, introduced Clinton by saying how courageous she was for speaking at the bank.

What you mean "we" Hillary?

How courageous is it to be paid $200K to tell a room full of powerful people what they want to hear? I'll tell you what's courageous, Bernie's support of the Palestinian cause in New York last night.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/release-of-clintons-wall-street-speeches_b_9698632.html

Release of the transcripts would therefore, it appears, have three immediate — and possibly fatal — consequences for Clinton’s presidential campaign:

It would reveal that Clinton lied about the content of the speeches at a time when she suspected she would never have to release them, nor that their content would ever be known to voters.
It would reveal that the massive campaign and super-PAC contributions Clinton has received from Wall Street did indeed, as Sanders has alleged, influence her ability to get tough on Wall Street malfeasance either in Congress or behind closed doors.
It would reveal that Clinton’s policy positions on — for instance — breaking up “too-big-to-fail” banks are almost certainly insincere, as they have been trotted out merely for the purposes of a presidential campaign.

christoph benells

Trad climber
Tahoma, Ca
Apr 15, 2016 - 06:55pm PT
it boggles my mind that people would be against free healthcare and free education (yes i know you pay for it in taxes and nothin is free)

you want your neighbors to be sick and stupid or healthy and educated?


Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 15, 2016 - 06:59pm PT
Public school isn't free anymore?

When I was a kid, school was free and compulsory.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 15, 2016 - 07:03pm PT
Public school isn't free anymore?

Why not?
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Apr 15, 2016 - 07:08pm PT
I'm all for charging money to attend public school. Is anyone seriously considering it?

At the very least, charge babysitting fees to the parents of kids who don't maintain a B average or better.
Craig Fry

Trad climber
So Cal.
Apr 15, 2016 - 07:13pm PT
How much should we charge for public school Chaz?

It was always free for me, I thought that it was the norm for the greatest country on earth



If mothers didn't have to pay for baby sitting, then they could work a minimum wage job, isn't that an improvement Chaz?
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Apr 15, 2016 - 07:39pm PT
[Click to View YouTube Video]


More truth whether you like it or not.

[url="http://https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/the-new-york-times-just-perfectly-explained-why-hillary-clintons-a"]http://https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/26/the-new-york-times-just-perfectly-explained-why-hillary-clintons-a[/url]

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article72215012.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/us/politics/canadian-partnership-shielded-identities-of-donors-to-clinton-foundation.html?smid=pl-share&_r=0


[Click to View YouTube Video]

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-loyalty-of-33-state-democratic-parties/


http://freebeacon.com/issues/delaware-address-home-200000-shell-companies-including-hillary-clintons/

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/report-five-clinton-shell-companies-established-in-delaware/article/2588147


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