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Norton
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The Wastelands
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Oct 22, 2017 - 02:53pm PT
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Apparently the left has forgotten the $850,000 settlement the Clinton's paid Paula jones to keep her quiet...
typical, desperate effort to deflect and dodge attention away from your beloved President
this time by cleverly bringing up a Democratic President's own sexual moral failings
lol, as if Clinton's behavior somehow excuses Trump's, see...I found another President!
grow up, your boy is judged on what he says and does and not by what Clinton did 20 yrs ago
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monolith
climber
state of being
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Oct 22, 2017 - 04:34pm PT
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...just like Trump paid $25 million to keep people quiet about his scam university.
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 22, 2017 - 05:06pm PT
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Senate Republicans passed a budget late Thursday night, setting the stage for the GOP's ultimate goal of tackling tax reform later this year.
The measure is estimated to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years
Sen. Bob Corker, R-Tenn., a member of the Budget Committee, told reporters Thursday afternoon, "This is the biggest hoax hatched upon the American people ever, that this budget process even exists. The only thing about this that matters is preparation for tax reform."
The Senate’s plan passed along party lines, with 51 Republicans voting in favor of the bill, and all Democrats voting against it.
“This nasty and backwards budget greenlights cuts to Medicare and Medicaid in order to give a tax break to big corporations and the wealthiest Americans,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-republicans-pass-budget-15-trillion-deficit-step/story?id=50600109
And those one-time "fiscally-conservative" Republicans approved that budget giving us a new 1.5 Trillion dollar budget deficit.
1.5 Trillion dollars is $1,500,000,000,000.00. That works out to a new debt burden of about $4,250.00 for every man, woman, & child in the U.S. from the “conservative” party that preaches “fiscal-responsibility.”
I’m sure the ulta-wealthy will be very grateful to the best political party that money can buy.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Oct 23, 2017 - 09:04am PT
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/23/donald-trump-sexual-harassment-accusers-harvey-weinstein
Three of them spoke with the Guardian after the allegations against Weinstein – who denies the claims against him – came to light, to revisit their accusations against Trump.
Although they are glad women have spoken up against the Hollywood producer and feel the culture may finally change, they are worried the relative silence of men will continue to allow abusers to rise to power.
They are Cathy Heller, who told the Guardian last year that in the late 1990s Trump forcibly kissed her on the lips the first time they had ever met; Kari Wells, a former model and Bravo Actress, who said Trump aggressively propositioned her in 1992 while he was dating her friend; and Jessica Leeds, who said Trump assaulted her on a plane in the early 1980s when he allegedly groped her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt.
The allegations against Harvey Weinstein have brought the issue of sexual harassment to the fore. Photograph: Valery Hache/AFP/Getty Images
They were just some of the women who spoke out about Trump’s behavior – women who, in many cases, were young and vulnerable and eager for an opening in industries such as modelling or TV in which the Miss Universe owner and Apprentice star had sway.
There was his former business partner in the beauty pageant industry, Jill Harth, who told the Guardian in an interview last summer that Trump groped her breasts and grabbed her crotch in one of the children’s rooms at his Florida home Mar-a-Lago in 1993.
“My pain is everyday with bastard Trump as President. “No one gets it unless it happens to them. NO one!” Harth tweeted after the Weinstein allegations came to light.
Then there was Kristin Anderson, who claimed last fall that Trump touched her vagina through her underwear at a Manhattan nightclub in the early 1990s.
And Mindy McGillivray, who said Trump groped her in 2003 when she was 23, also allegedly at Mar-a-Lago.
And Rachel Crooks, who said Trump kissed her forcibly on the mouth in 2005.
Temple Taggart McDowell, a former Miss USA beauty pageant contestant, also alleged that Trump kissed her without permission, as did Jessica Drake, along with other claims. Natasha Stoynoff accused Trump of “forcing his tongue down my throat” in 2005.
A former contestant on The Apprentice, Summer Zervos – who also said Trump kissed and groped her without consent – has filed a defamation claim against the now-president. Through her lawyer Gloria Allred, she declined to be interviewed for this story.
"Kristin Anderson, who claimed last fall that that Trump touched her vagina through her underwear"
If these women take action now, they would be facing death threats and smearing from crazy sick Trump supporters
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 23, 2017 - 09:08am PT
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So, whaddy'all think? Powell, Taylor, Warsh, or more Janet?
It's actually important.
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Craig Fry
Trad climber
So Cal.
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Oct 23, 2017 - 09:10am PT
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2017 - 11:32am PT
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Fed Chair is a separate discussion, but before going there...
Reilly, imagine if you had a wife or a daughter or mother who came home with the same stories that are in the news? Would you be so callous?
You just implicitly said (but couched with plausible deniability) that what women are experiencing is not important, certainly not on par with who runs the Federal Reserve Bank. I think they are both pretty important, and they are sufficiently different dimensions that making a judgment of relative importance is difficult at best. I suspect you were just going for the typical crusty jaded humor, and didn't think about the message you put into the world.
I did not grow up seeing women subordinate themselves to men or tolerate abuse. I was raised by a single working mom, and I saw her leave jobs or end business partnerships rather than put up with male power bullshit on a variety of occasions. That sh!t had financial consequences for my childhood. I am privy on a daily basis to the politics my wife faces at work that make her job much more difficult than it would be for a man in the same position. That very directly affects me too. Some things that a guy can get away with when exercising power are totally off the table for women. Clear double-standards and different sets of tools allowed for playing the game. In that way, I am sympathetic to what Hillary Clinton went through in the campaign process.
The issue of abusing power for unwelcome sexual acts or violating personal space is the extreme case of this whole dynamic. When you dismiss the individual acts and allegations in the news, you are dismissing the entire unresolved dynamic that they symbolize. It is the issue of how to balance power between the male and female halves of our population in every layer from the household to the work environment to our politics and society. I suspect it is getting more newsplay now as a societal recovery from the shock of electing a leader who is so blatantly disrespectful to women.
That said, I suspect all the people who voted for him anyways are not female-bashing pigs. Rather, it is a combination of carelessness and willful ignorance to avoid situations that would invoke compassion or empathy. This is exactly what you are doing here Reilly.
I imagine if you, and other guys who take this issue lightly, could be engaged one on one to have conversations with your wives, your daughters, your mothers, without the filters that women around such men typically employ to hide their suffering... if such conversations could take place the men really took the time to consider the people they love enduring what women throughout time have endured... most of these people would melt at the though of their loved ones being hurt and they would not tolerate abuses by others. But as long as it is kept at arm's length, someone "out there somewhere else" that is enduring the injustice, then we can turn a blind eye, crack jokes, insulate ourselves from the pain and injustice.
This blind eye is what lets evil spread. Fvck that. This is not a party issue. Be a man and take a stand.
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Cragar
climber
MSLA - MT
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Oct 23, 2017 - 11:59am PT
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Thanks NutUpAgain(supposed to be a funny joke concerning your last sentence), first thing I read today that made me smile. It is because I agree and also because I dig your style and appreciate your succinct, simple yet powerful way of writing about sh#t that matters.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2017 - 12:13pm PT
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Rather than edit/water down my post, I'll add this. Sorry Reilly, I think I was overly harsh in singling you out, when it seems like a pretty minor offense or quibbling of word choice. Your response is probably more common than not. It's my lack of consideration in adopting a public shaming style rather than seeking to spread enlightenment. Guess I have to enlighten myself first.
I think there is a pernicious impediment to finding a more just balance of power between men and women because there are so many innocuous little ways that women can be undermined in our society, ways in which the offenders don't appear offensive or if so, just to a minor nuisance of a degree, but the collective consequences of these small behaviors make our society much less than what it could be.
So I guess I'll leave it with this: we all should consider the consequences that our actions have on others, and don't lightly dismiss the suffering of others.
Edit: Thanks Cragar... I did get a stick up by butt on this and spoke from my heart, but reeled it back a bit because Reilly by virtue of a few words doesn't deserve to be the fall guy for what is an omnipresent problem in our society.
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fear
Ice climber
hartford, ct
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Oct 23, 2017 - 12:32pm PT
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As long as you watch CNN or any of "the popular news" you'll be caught in a never ending cycle of wedge non-issues that distract from the real crimes of our empire.
By design.
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Reilly
Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
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Oct 23, 2017 - 12:56pm PT
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nutagain, you seem pretty smart on some fronts but you sure like to read a lot into simple
declarative sentences which, if not actually putting words into others' mouths, does call into
question your reading comprehension, if not your intelligence and integrity. I suggest you
re-read this thread's title, paying particular attention to "issues". You may take the liberty of
pointing out to me the StuporTopo thread rules which I have violated by daring to engage
in reasoned unemotional discourse.
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NutAgain!
Trad climber
South Pasadena, CA
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2017 - 06:02pm PT
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Reilly, I'm guilty of only seeing one possible meaning in what you wrote, when a variety of meanings or contexts could reasonably be inferred. I reacted to my narrow interpretation as if it was what you intended, even if it may not have occurred to you when you wrote it.
When you wrote "actually", you could have been simply supporting the importance of the point you raised. Or you could have implicitly been indicating something else was not important- and that could have been from any number of prior posts, not just the one I was assuming.
Sorry again for that.
As for Fed Reserve leadership... seems like a rough ship to steer at this point. I'm not familiar with the candidates but I would like to hear what they think about these issues or ideas:
 what do you think about systemic risks in terms of: the size of our financial institutions; separation of entities with different risk/reward portfolios (e.g. savings/loans vs speculative investments)
how active should the voice of the Fed be in influencing the law-making process in Congress? Should the Fed be strictly seen as a "factual" consultant or should it rightly be a thought-leader to guide congressional lawmaking?
more quantitative easing? is there evidence to show that small businesses and consumers benefited from these policies as much as banks did?
a slippery slope was begun with quantitative easing, in that value judgements about which industries to prop up must be made, where to put the influx of cash. Given that slope is already begun, is it appropriate to slide further into shaping societal behavior and values? What about attaching incentives or obstacles for different types of interest rates to motivate financial institutions to act in a manner that encourages a more equitable wealth distribution in our society?
what role should the Fed have in defining new metrics to measure the effectiveness of monetary policy? A simple measure of inflation or GDP or exchange rate of the dollar is too aggregated to show the real picture of what is happening in our country. What about measures of dispersion/distribution of currency as a measure of success?
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WBraun
climber
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Oct 23, 2017 - 06:17pm PT
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what role should the Fed have
Those aszholes should be thrown in jail.
They are the biggest criminals in the USA and the world .....
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Oct 23, 2017 - 06:34pm PT
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Ready. Fire. Aim'
The Donald's motto.
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 23, 2017 - 06:41pm PT
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Donald's motto...Ready , aim , grab...
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drF
Trad climber
usa
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Oct 23, 2017 - 07:41pm PT
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The Fed’s money comes from taxpayers. Debtors. Slaves. Us
We are paying interest to the Fed on the Feds’ own reserves.
These reserves are maintained for their own private profit to invest in the MIC, etc.
This in essence drains the public purse.
It's an age old scheme. Stranglehold on the common people.
Who owns the Federal Reserve, who actually controls it, whose interests is it serving?
Poor NutAgain waxes poetic about this s**t like it's gospel. Wake TFUP man
At least yur not a rottonJoany obsessed with Trumpito.
Those are the azzclowns stealing candy from the neighborhood kids next week.
Sighhhh ;-0
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Norton
climber
The Wastelands
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Oct 23, 2017 - 07:58pm PT
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you stupid fools who post your poor fund of information political crap on a climbing forum...
-should self deactivate...get a life...I get so mad at you all...get mad at what I don't understand
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
Sands Motel , Las Vegas
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Oct 23, 2017 - 08:06pm PT
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Nutagain...Skippy just paid you a compliment...I think he likes you...? rj
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Fritz
Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Oct 23, 2017 - 08:38pm PT
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drF!
Congrats on another post that doesn't make sense to anyone with an IQ over 80!
Re your inane (insane) thoughts on the Federal Reserve, I suspect your schooling at the Koch brothers College of Paranoid Economics affects your thinking?
I am also offended that you are now stealing my signature, Sigh
drF posts: Sighhhh ;-0
Hey!
Let's have a drF pissing match & kill this thread, and your current Troll manifestation.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Oct 23, 2017 - 09:05pm PT
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Yellen is the obvious choice, for economic stability.
However, stability is the last thing that this President appears to want, in contrast to most. He is committed to tearing down the pillars of our gov't, of which the Fed is one.
So look to Yellen being out, and someone with radical ideas to be given the nod. In fact, probably not a professional economist, probably a politician or billionaire.
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