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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Apr 13, 2012 - 08:29pm PT
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Canada has always had them later in the summer when the jet migrates north. They aren't common, but Canada has had some quite strong tornadoes in the past.
This was pretty cool. Could hear the trees and power poles snapping. The path was less than a 100 yards wide and so far no serious injuries. Norman, Oklahoma is about the most weather fluent city on the planet. We do have more phd meterologists per capita than any other place in the world.
Most people live their entire lives here without ever seeing one. They are usually very fleeting events.
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blahblah
Gym climber
Boulder
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Apr 17, 2012 - 11:54am PT
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**Study: Glaciers in western Himalayas bucking global melting trend
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/17/world/asia/glacier-himalayas-gain-mass/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Explained very conveniently by a "scientist": "Global warming is far from spatially homogeneous and continuous with time. In our warming world, there are regions of the Earth where, during a few years or decades, the atmosphere is not warming or even cooling," Gardelle said.
May well be true, but it's interesting that many of our intrepid ST climbers claim to have observed all sorts of glacier shrinkage. No one seems to have seen the expansion.
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Port
Trad climber
San Diego
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Apr 17, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
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Your logic is a perfect example of confirmation bias.
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Apr 17, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
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How surprising a warmer climate solves and negates...
Yes, clearly winter home heating is the only concern.
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JEleazarian
Trad climber
Fresno CA
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Apr 23, 2012 - 02:57pm PT
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Good find, El Cap. Chiloe turned me on to Real Climate, which is a gold mine for scientific data on a subject polluted (so to speak) with a lot of political science.
John
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Apr 24, 2012 - 09:35pm PT
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Barry takes a page from history. Unfortunately its the wrong page.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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Apr 24, 2012 - 10:58pm PT
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Ed - Won't ask what happened to your sense of humor. The absurdity that the climate can be affected by an Obama #EO is funny on a couple of levels.
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Apr 27, 2012 - 12:27pm PT
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Well, this page is off to a substance-free start, so I'll toss in a few notes from the field.
Just returned from 3 days at a conference with polar scientists in Montreal, about 2,400 people attending from many different countries. The pace of new work on our rapidly-changing polar regions is impressive. A few of the highlights from just one of the many parallel sessions include Mary-Louise Timmerman's analysis of how sun-warmed surface waters drive bottom-up melting of sea ice where they extend under the ice edge; and Wieslaw Maslowski's detailed look at how meso-scale eddies affect ice transport and melting north of Alaska.
Arriving home I find this week's issue of EOS arrived, with a front page article by Simon Donner on "Sea Level Rise and the Ongoing Battle of Tarawa." Here's a nice quote relevant to a theme often brought up on this thread:
The distinction between weather -- what you "get" -- and climate -- what you "expect" -- is consistently confusing to the public. As scientists often explain in the media, the weather at a particular location on a particular day is not proof of a global climate trend, nor is a global climate trend a good predictor of the local weather at a particular location on a particular day.
The same nuance is important in discourse about sea level rise. As the global average sea level rises, the response of any one location at any given time will depend on the natural variability in regional sea level and the effects of local human activities on coastal processes. As with climate warming, the state of an individual shoreline or the extent of flooding on a given day is not proof of a sea level trend, nor is a global sea level trend a good predictor of individual flooding or erosion events.
Back-page notes in the same current (24 April) issue of EOS include some other pieces relevant to climate: "North American rivers a sizable source of atmospheric carbon" and "Thermokarst lakes increased atmospheric methane levels."
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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Apr 28, 2012 - 10:08am PT
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Ed, that's interesting material from Exxon. Greenwashing or a changing corporate heart?
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dirtbag
climber
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Christ, what an idiot.
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nature
climber
CO
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genetic selection, dirtbag. we can't all be born like Ed. CC... maybe fetal alcohol syndrom? I dunno.... hardly matters. who pays attention to him/her anymore anyway?
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dirtbag
climber
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I don't even bother reading his links. He's a liar.
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BASE104
Social climber
An Oil Field
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Ed, you would be shocked at how many people use heat or temperature in the place of energy.
Conduction, convection or radiation. Thermodynamics is an area where I get really tweaked.
Anyway, a close friend of mine found Jesus and said that evolution is impossible because of the second law of thermodynamics. He had a double major: Biology and Chemistry.
Then I pointed to his truck.
From my standpoint, the geologists are always front and center on teaching creationism (now called "intelligent design). I have no idea why they pick on us. We have nigh scoured the earth on the surface. I hate having to apologize for the fossil record.
I think that they should blame Hubble for figuring out the vast distances in the Universe, and Ed and his boys for providing the math.
You know. Hubble used Cephied variables. Now type 1a supernovas. Billions of years for light to hit our eyeballs is a little hard to stomach.
I think we should ban all telescopes and calculators, and lock up the geologists and chemists and biologists.
History is full of people who get pissed at scientists. Hell, look at CC.
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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The Climate Sedition Act criminalizes climate dissent, including not only
blogs but also any actual data, measurements, or scientific arguments
against the fragile consensus of climate danger to national security.
Any thermometer reading lower than airports will be dismantled. Any sea-level gauges not showing flooding will be removed and model data substituted.
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It’s no longer easy to locate the Warmist Splattergate video on YouTube.
(the one where skeptics are gleefully murdered by Global Warming fanatics)
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2012/05/04/keeping-the-no-pressure-video-alive/
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corniss chopper
climber
breaking the speed of gravity
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It is a sad time to be a global warming fanatic. Their chicken little warnings being ignored by everyone must be especially hurtful now that
their cherished beliefs are being proven wrong.
Everyone knows that the Sun controls our climate. And the CO2 scammers
are the subject of late night comedy bits.
Remember this study out of the UK? Must have really driven them berserk.
The Warmists definition of 'good for the Earth' necessarily keeps changing.
Does Pollution Actually Fight Global Warming?
http://inhabitat.com/does-pollution-actually-fight-global-warming/
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