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Tom
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San Luis Obispo CA
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Feb 27, 2016 - 03:49pm PT
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The Los Angeles Times reports that KKK members and a crowd of protesters clashed in a bloody battle in Anaheim.
There was no word about whether this was a pro-Trump rally by the klansmen. However, former Grand Wizard David Duke has called on KKK members to actively support Trump for president.
Donald Trump has applauded violence against dissenters at his political rallies, and has personally said he would like to see them attacked, beaten, and taken out on stretchers (medical gurneys).
KKK members stab three protesters in "self-defense"
Any moment now, Trump will applaud the KKK and their use of weapons to promote their political agenda in America.
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TLP
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Feb 27, 2016 - 05:16pm PT
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I dunno what all the fuss is about. The Donald seems like a pretty standard current-era republican to me. The party powers-that-be have been cultivating and catering to his fact-free, reality-free, high-xenophobia, start wars for no reason, "I love the poorly educated" schtick in order to gain electoral edge for ages now. So now that they have to live with the fact that he does in fact represent the majority of the party electorate that they've been inciting all this time, they're unhappy? Oh well.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Feb 28, 2016 - 09:56am PT
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so Trump lies that he doesn't know who David Duke and the KKK is?
What the f*#k is wrong with people supporting this dou.chebag?
you have to have real mental issue to support this piece of sh#t.
Fuc.ked in the head and hate in the heart.
Fuc.k off trump supporters. Just go fu.ck yourselves.
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Byran
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San Jose, CA
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Feb 28, 2016 - 10:29am PT
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American elections, and the Trump candidacy in particular, remind me of the Black Mirror episode "The Waldo Moment".
[Click to View YouTube Video]
The video might get taken off YouTube at some point, so watch it while you can. The whole series is excellent BTW, one of the best TV shows in recent years.
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madbolter1
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Denver, CO
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Feb 28, 2016 - 10:41am PT
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it doesn't allow him to recreate historic common law principles on which the US Constitution is based.
It's funny watching a Canadian talk about "common law principles" to GROUND the Constitution on something objective, when he and others just like him have repeatedly decried my "originalism" in GROUNDING what the Constitution MEANS in the founder's raft of surrounding documents (federalist and anti-federalist alike).
You cherry pick what parts of the Constitution you want to leave inviolate, while otherwise EMPHASIZING how it is a "living, breathing, dynamic document" that "must adapt to the times".
Pure BS. NONE of the founders would have stood for the utter crap that the SCOTUS now hands us (and has increasingly for decades)! The feds are into EVERYTHING now, and NONE of the founders (including the most "rabid" federalists) would have stood for the "interpretations" that have been foisted off on us. They would be looking around with accusing eyes and asking, "Why haven't you losers revolted long ago?"
For the Constitution to MEAN anything at all, some robust version of originalism MUST be used to interpret it. And even YOU admit that in your latest post. Now, let's quit cherry-picking! On every substantive point, the founders' surrounding documents are VERY clear about what THEY MEANT in their verbiage when they drafted it.
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dirtbag
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Feb 28, 2016 - 10:59am PT
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Cosmic, are you ok with Trump feigning ignorance about the KKK?
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pyro
Big Wall climber
Calabasas
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Feb 28, 2016 - 11:02am PT
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What the f*#k is wrong with people supporting this dou.chebag?
you have to have real mental issue to support this piece of sh#t.
Fuc.ked in the head and hate in the heart.
Fuc.k off trump supporters. Just go fu.ck yourselves.
nature here is ur head exploding one less bern voter
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dirtbag
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Feb 28, 2016 - 11:05am PT
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Pyro, are you ok with Trump feigning ignorance about the KKK?
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Feb 28, 2016 - 12:22pm PT
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feigning ignorance ?
that's being kind. Don't you mean "straight-faced lying"?
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dirtbag
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Feb 28, 2016 - 12:32pm PT
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It is kindest way to put it. But I also would like to know cosmic and pyro think about this.
I would never vote for someone who did this. His supporters should think about this.
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Norton
Social climber
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Feb 28, 2016 - 12:40pm PT
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Oh, let's be honest
a vote FOR any Republican largely cannot be defended, notice how our forum Repub supporters never say anything positive about who they will vote for
it is a vote AGAINST the Democrat, that's why they vote Republican
why I believe Cosmic said that the other day, a vote of opposition
this election in particular is interesting in part because of the support Trump is getting
from the less educated, his numbers are very good with white, male, high school only graduates
why do you suppose that is?
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dirtbag
climber
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Feb 28, 2016 - 12:40pm PT
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People like Christie need to answer this, too.
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nah000
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no/w/here
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Feb 28, 2016 - 01:08pm PT
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thanks cintune...
that taibbi article is, as usual, filled with so many good insightful one liners that everybody should just read the whole thing... in case you don't have time here's the reader's digest version:
A thousand ridiculous accidents needed to happen in the unlikeliest of sequences for it to be possible, but absent a dramatic turn of events an early primary catastrophe, Mike Bloomberg ego-crashing the race, etc. this boorish, monosyllabic TV tyrant with the attention span of an Xbox-playing 11-year-old really is set to lay waste to the most impenetrable oligarchy the Western world ever devised.
But, in an insane twist of fate, this bloated billionaire scion has hobbies that have given him insight into the presidential electoral process. He likes women, which got him into beauty pageants. And he likes being famous, which got him into reality TV. He knows show business.
That put him in position to understand that the presidential election campaign is really just a badly acted, billion-dollar TV show whose production costs ludicrously include the political disenfranchisement of its audience. Trump is making a mockery of the show, and the Wolf Blitzers and Anderson Coopers of the world seem appalled. How dare he demean the presidency with his antics?
But they've all got it backward. The presidency is serious. The presidential electoral process, however, is a sick joke, in which everyone loses except the people behind the rope line. And every time some pundit or party spokesman tries to deny it, Trump picks up another vote.
Moreover, there's evidence that human polling undercounts Trump's votes, as people support him in larger numbers when they don't have to admit their leanings to a live human being. Like autoerotic asphyxiation, supporting Donald Trump is an activity many people prefer to enjoy in a private setting, like in a shower or a voting booth.
But Trump's thin-skinned dealings with reporters didn't fully explain the media's efforts to prop up his opponents. We've long been engaged in our own version of the high school put-down game, battering nerds and outsiders like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich while elevating "electable," party-approved candidates like John McCain and John Kerry.
Rubio's face-plant brilliantly reprised Sir Ian Holm's performance in Alien, as a malfunctioning, disembodied robot head stammering, "I admire its purity," while covered in milky android goo. It was everything we hate about scripted mannequin candidates captured in a brief crack in the political faηade.
All of which virtually guarantees Trump will probably enjoy at least a five-horse race through Super Tuesday. So he might have this thing sewn up before the others even figure out in what order they should quit. It's hard to recall a dumber situation in American presidential politics.
And when Rubio gets exposed in the debate as a talking haircut, a political Speak n' Spell, suddenly the throng of journalists who spent the past two weeks trying to sell America on "Marcomentum" and the all-important "establishment lane" looks very guilty indeed. Voters were supposed to take this seriously?
"Trump has also promised to use tariffs to punish companies," wrote David McIntosh in the Review's much-publicized, but not-effective-at-all "Conservatives Against Trump" 22-pundit jihad. "These are not the ideas of a small-government conservative ... They are, instead, the ramblings of a liberal wanna-be strongman."
What these tweedy Buckleyites at places like the Review don't get is that most people don't give a damn about "conservative principles." Yes, millions of people responded to that rhetoric for years. But that wasn't because of the principle itself, but because it was always coupled with the more effective politics of resentment: Big-government liberals are to blame for your problems.
Trump, though, she likes. And so do a lot of people. No one should be surprised that he's tearing through the Republican primaries, because everything he's saying about his GOP opponents is true. They really are all stooges on the take, unable to stand up to Trump because they're not even people, but are, like Jeb and Rubio, just robo-babbling representatives of unseen donors.
He used a German term, backpfeifengesicht, literally "a face in need of a good punch," to describe Cruz. This may be overstating things a little. Cruz certainly has an odd face it looks like someone sewed pieces of a waterlogged Reagan mask together at gunpoint but it's his tone more than anything that gets you. He speaks slowly and loudly and in the most histrionic language possible, as if he's certain you're too stupid to grasp that he is for freedom.
This is part of a gigantic subplot to the Trump story, which is that many of his critiques of the process are the same ones being made by Bernie Sanders. The two men, of course, are polar opposites in just about every way Sanders worries about the poor, while Trump would eat a child in a lifeboat but both are laser-focused on the corrupting role of money in politics.
In the meantime, Trump is cannily stalking the Sanders vote. While the rest of the GOP clowns just roll their eyes at Sanders, going for cheap groans with bits about socialism, Trump goes a different route. He hammers Hillary and compliments Sanders. "I agree with [Sanders] on two things," he says. "On trade, he said we're being ripped off. He just doesn't know how much."
He goes on. "And he's right with Hillary because, look, she's receiving a fortune from a lot of people."
Trump isn't the first rich guy to run for office. But he is the first to realize the weakness in the system, which is that the watchdogs in the political media can't resist a car wreck. The more he insults the press, the more they cover him: He's pulling 33 times as much coverage on the major networks as his next-closest GOP competitor, and twice as much as Hillary.
Trump found the flaw in the American Death Star. It doesn't know how to turn the cameras off, even when it's filming its own demise.
King Trump. Brace yourselves, America. It's really happening.
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nature
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Boulder, CO
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Feb 28, 2016 - 01:18pm PT
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In my effort to look on the bright side i look two, four and six years down the road. A King Rump reign means this (also toss in the douc.hebags repulicants that won't vote on an Obama SCOTUS nomination).
Senate goes Democrat in November.
Democrats win more house seats in November.
Senate stays Democrat mid-term
More democrat house seats won in mid-term
King Rump goes down after one term as one of the top-5 worse presidents ever and the white house goes back to sanity with a democrat. Hopefully nukes were not launched.
he's single handedly going to destroy the GOP, hopefully not taking the country with him, and we can be back on the road to progress rather than regress. Sucks it'll take two, four, six years.
And you are absolutely correct Norton. you won't get an answer because there is simply not one.
I get where you went with that, dirtbag. but i'd imagine you realize that.
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Stewart
Trad climber
Courtenay, B.C.
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Feb 28, 2016 - 02:59pm PT
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dirtbag: do you seriously expect an intelligent reply from pyro?
If you understand that Trump's campaign is centred around racism and mean-spirited greed, you're not likely to find that any of his supporters (like pyro) are upset to learn that Trump is delighted to accept KKK support - while cheerfully lying about his ignorance of their twisted beliefs.
nature put it well when he posted "fuc.ked in the head and hate in the heart".
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crankster
Trad climber
No. Tahoe
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Feb 28, 2016 - 03:33pm PT
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In one Sunday morning, you have the most-likely Republican presidential nominee refusing, repeatedly, to disavow the KKK and saying, "Mussolini was Mussolini."
Trump: "Well, just so you understand, I don't know anything about [former Ku Klux Klan head] David Duke. Okay? I don't know anything about what you're even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don't know. I don't know. Did he endorse me or what's going on, because, you know, I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists. And so you're asking me a question that I'm supposed to be talking about people that I know nothing about. "
Tapper: "But I guess the question from the Anti-Defamation League is, even if you don't know about their endorsement, there are these groups and individuals endorsing you. Would you just say unequivocally you condemn them and you don't want their support?"
Trump: "Well, I have to look at the group. I mean, I don't know what group you're talking about. You wouldn't want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about. I would have to look. If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them. And, certainly, I would disavow them if I thought there was something wrong."
Tapper: "The Ku Klux Klan?"
Trump: "But you may have groups in there that are totally fine, and it would be very unfair. So give me a list of the groups, and I will let you know."
Tapper: "Okay. I mean, I'm just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but ..."
Trump: "I don't know any honestly, I don't know David Duke. I don't believe I have ever met him. I'm pretty sure I didn't meet him. And I just don't know anything about him."
Need more proof this guy is a racist?
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Happiegrrrl2
Trad climber
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Feb 28, 2016 - 04:57pm PT
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The pressure is on, hard, to dissuade voters from backing Trump On Super Tuesday. The powers that be can't come out and tell them not to vote Trump, because, obviously.... but they are doing their best to nudge them along.
If the "I don't know about the group(Ku Klux Klan)" doesn't make any difference in his numbers, I don't imagine there's anything that possibly could. Well, maybe if it was discovered that he paid for male prostitutes. That's about the only thing I can imagine a person who has accepted his misogynist remarks, his belittling a journalist's handicap, and the myriad of other behaviors would find unsettling enough to step back.
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