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Joshua Johnson
Boulder climber
Boulder
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May 12, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
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You got the boot here too Burchey.
Coincidence?
Why don't you make like a tree and leave.
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John M
climber
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May 12, 2014 - 02:19pm PT
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I sold my sled because the damn quiet was ruining my experience. It was so damn quiet I couldn't hear my sled. When I get a powerful engine, I want to be able to hear it.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 12, 2014 - 02:20pm PT
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Wrong again Hawkeye....the folks you refer to on Everest are NOT climbers.
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Gary
Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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May 12, 2014 - 03:06pm PT
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Just look at the scene around Index Washington. Most forest service roads have been closed and gated specifically to try to keep the drunk gun and ATV nuts out, not the climbers.
Sunday, above Frazier Park, we hiked From Brush to San Emigdio Peaks. Nice day, cool views, cobalt blue sky, but the hike was along 4WD roads. Several spots had fencing where Los Padres NF was trying to keep off-roaders from certain slopes. The fences were all intact, no one had try to trail blaze around them, or just run them over. I was impressed. A nice change.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 04:28pm PT
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Or ignored a falcon closure?
Climbing is not a protected right either. Completely agreed.
There has been a Peregrine Falcon closure at Summit Rock just down the road for several years. It was mostly respected by the local climbers in spite of a lot of unhappiness. Now it's only open in winter and by advanced registration. Thanks to rational lobbying by the Access Fund.
The Yosemite and Pinnacles closures are obeyed. Unfortunately I believe none of these would be obeyed without law enforcement and heavy fines.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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May 12, 2014 - 04:29pm PT
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The little arguement today about the right-winger ATV protest without helmets, but with lots of small children hanging on, plus Ron's using the word ironic a couple times reminded me of Idaho's one time Sagebrush Rebel and ultra-right Congresswoman Helen Chenoweth.
From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Chenoweth-Hage
During her tenure, she was referred to by her most outspoken critics as a "poster-child for the militias," and in February 1995 she voiced the suspicion that armed federal agents were landing black helicopters on Idaho ranchers' property to enforce the Endangered Species Act, in line with a longstanding conspiracy theory. Helen, of course, was against all forms of government regulation.
I find it "ironic" that in 2006, she was in a minor one-car roll-over in Nevada, and died because she wasn't wearing that evil government tool of repression, a seatbelt.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
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I've not been an angel myself.
As a crazy adolescent I used to tear up the hillsides and mountains around Salt Lake Valley on my enduro motorcycle. I'm not proud of that at all, even though it was not illegal at the time.
Then I got conservation religion and sold the beast for a road machine.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 04:55pm PT
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Would the other climbers stand by and allow that to happen? I've heard plenty of complaining on this forum in the past about the closures. A great deal of complaining about the Summit Rock falcon closure. I know some climbers have not respected that closure.
I've also watched a Peregrine Falcon in late October take a ground squirrel off a ledge on the east face of El Cap near Horsetail Falls and carry it up to its nest on the pinnacles 1/2 way up the NA wall.
Awesome.
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HighTraverse
Trad climber
Bay Area
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May 12, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
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seen osprey or the like take trout out of a lake. A pair of ospreys.
Several years in a row at a lake near Kings Canyon. Wonderful stuff
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 12, 2014 - 06:32pm PT
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I've had several insanely close encounters of an almost communal nature with raptors of many kinds on the walls of the Black Canyon some flying close enough to nearly touch.
They are often quite curious and seem to know when you are not a threat. I've always respected the raptor closures and have stayed off the nesting walls but the magnificent birds still came to us to check us out. One time last century way up high on the Painted Wall we became aware of an unknown nesting pair in the middle of nowhere between the Forrest Walker and the Mirkwood routes. The wall wasn't closed because noone knew they were there. No one was going to get to that nest to disturb it and the rangers were aware of the pair but not where they nested. We reported it to the BLM and felt good!
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Flip Flop
Trad climber
Truckee, CA
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May 12, 2014 - 06:46pm PT
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Johnny Rig writes:
"Would you feel the same if an area were closed because climbers violated a no-bolt order?
Or ignored a falcon closure?
Climbing is not a protected right either."
Climbing is an extension of walking and exploring. Therefore it is elemental to being human. There is no comparison. Try to keep the ridiculous metaphors to a minimum as they merely confuse you.
If the area is already closed then wtf are you saying? Climbers accept road closures and even encourage them. Tuolumne had boondock pullouts but that's finished and it's a good thing. Motorized recreation in the wilderness is a dinosaur. Chubby throttle jockeys need to learn to walk. It's a human thing.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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May 12, 2014 - 07:08pm PT
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Fritz, the irony of her death is tinged with tragedy....she had already bred.
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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May 12, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
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Jim: As the saying goes: Stupid kills, but often not soon enough.
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
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Oh cry us a river.
You've already said all this sh!t 4000 posts ad nauseam.
So who's the little girl crying, YOU.
Go to Bundy and the militia in person and tell your whinny runny mouth to them in person.
You guys are pathetic.
You internet tough guys here are all blah blah blah blah.
Stoooopid .....
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philo
Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
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May 12, 2014 - 07:59pm PT
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^^^ Hey stooooooopid, who are you talking to?
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2014 - 08:07pm PT
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jonnyrig
My post wasn't aimed at you at all.
You got more sense then most of these knuckleheads in this thread .....
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fluffy
Trad climber
Colorado
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May 12, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
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You internet tough guys here are all blah blah blah blah.
lol
you mad bro?
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rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
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May 12, 2014 - 08:43pm PT
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Bruce...It's not just you...We all fear the sound of Werner's other shoe dropping...he needs to add a few more phillipino boys to his harem....
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WBraun
climber
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May 12, 2014 - 08:51pm PT
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Yes you're blessed Bruce.
You're NOT a coward and that's for sure.
And your Rob Ford video in that other thread cracked me up.
I was dying laughing watching that.
Rob Ford should have his own show like "The late Night show" or some such .....
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Bob D'A
Trad climber
Taos, NM
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May 12, 2014 - 08:52pm PT
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Werner...for being such a spiritual, luminous being...you are one angry bastard.
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