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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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hey there say, bump for patrick, perhaps he'll get a visitor...
me, i can't, .... too far away.... :O
say---it will sure be wonderful to look back, after you are well, patrick and see how all this pain is thus GONE.... :)
keep your eyes on the prize....
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Ray Olson
Trad climber
Imperial Beach, California
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hey Pat, maybe get checked out by a different doc?
I don't know but...something doesn't sound right.
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Well Jingy just broke his shoulder on a fall from a boulder. See the thread, My Bishop Fall.
It seems to be the karma of the day.
If nothing else Pat, your injury has already and will probably always, set the standard for bouldering horror stories with complications. Then again, you always did have a flair for the dramatic and never did things by halves!
Here's hoping you will get some more sleep tonight and when I get back from class this evening, you'll have better news to report on that front.
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 9, 2009 - 02:33pm PT
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I hesitate to get my hopes up, but this morning was
a tiny bit better. I think my mind has reached a point
where it is learning slowly how to shut out the pain.
Then, just as I was typing this, the pain returned...almost
in full...
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Chiloe
Trad climber
Lee, NH
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To us out here in the peanut gallery, who don't actually know ... it sure sounds like there could be more to this injury than what you've been treated for so far. I hope your physician really does understand.
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 9, 2009 - 03:20pm PT
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Strange. Just made a post, and it vanished.
One good sign. I have detected a slight bit of movement
in my knee. I mean, I can bend it a small bit, although
before it was stiff as a board. The specialist had referred
me to a physical therapist and said it was important to
get the whole leg moving as soon as possible. I had not as yet
acted on that refferal but am encouraged to see the
new movement. If now I could only get the pain
to settle down I would be half way there and ready to
boulder... or maybe not...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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If now I could only get the pain to settle down I would be half way there and ready to boulder...
Spoken like a true nutjob climber! Not to mention that you're advertising your film. I hereby pronounce you on the road to recovery - mentally at least.
Being able to bend the knee a bit sounds very encouraging also.
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2009 - 01:00am PT
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I'm not in quite as much pain tonight, but
strangely I still am very uncomfortable, agitated,
nervous, unsettled, jittery, feet want to move,
can't sit still, all probably typical symptoms of
recovery or just the process of slowly healing.
It might be also that three weeks and four days without
sleep have started to wear on my nerves. Mind you,
I did the editing on my film during the initial stages
of the injury, if you recall in the thread,
when I drove to Colorado Springs and just ignored the
battered beast hanging off my right hip.... I will
have to wonder what I did with that editing, but I'm
sure my friends the night at Neptune's will tell me.
Might be ethereal.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 10, 2009 - 01:37am PT
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Pat, see a doctor again, if that's what it takes. I don't know what's up with the force, right now, but, in this season of death, our collective karma appears to be rancid. Do what you have to do, to take care of yourself.
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neebee
Social climber
calif/texas
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Nov 10, 2009 - 02:24am PT
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hey there pat, say, one way that post oddly vanish, is IF you have accidently, and UNSEEN highlighted too much of your post, due to fixing a letter, or copying (and not taking the hand aways quick enought) or due to just pure accident, somehow, then:
when you post, not noticing that this is the case, the highlighted part will all disappear--and that being, then, the whole post...
other tiems, i have hit some weird button, or hit it TWICE... or just hit the inner-window of the POST area, and the whole the post disappears, as if EXPECTING you do it over...
(like a weird kind of planned format---very shocking when it happenes)...
take care not to double hit "what" i dont really know...
god bless...
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ionlyski
Trad climber
Kalispell, Montana
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Nov 10, 2009 - 10:00am PT
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Time to start walking again Pat. The body heals from activity. Eventually, bedrest will kill you. When you can.
Arne
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philo
Trad climber
boulder, co.
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Nov 10, 2009 - 11:00am PT
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Pat I whole heartily agree with the Warbler, Get into a pool! The buoyancy provides protection while the resistance offers excellent therapeutic exercise. And the water pressure will feel good too, like a pressure stocking without the dorky look. You DO need to get that bugger moving ASAP. Start with ankle rotations, small at first then larger as the conditions allow. You can do these anytime even in bed. This will work all the lower leg connective muscles and re-awaken the necessary motor skills. But you want to strive for fluid and controlled movement not herky jerky flailing. We all know you are a master of fluid and controlled movement. The other thing I would highly recommend is to start pounding water. Pure simple water. You have a boat load of toxins built up that you need to flush out of your system. Drink enough water so that you feel like you gurgle and have to pee every half hour or so. This will be of immense value physically. Not to mention give you a regular pretext for getting up and moving. I am speaking from years of experience. Bon Chance.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Nov 10, 2009 - 12:00pm PT
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Pat
You should post a synopsis of your injury and healing process on our new injured person's thread
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/1006204/Injured_persons_thread
there are probably folks who weren't interested in "Disintegrating rock" and don't know what's up with you. Sometimes you get some good advice and support when folks know.
Somebody is loaning me a portable left foot accelerator pedal so I can drive a month early. Didn't know they exist and couldn't have afforded one since they do.
Peace
Karl
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2009 - 01:20pm PT
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Strange, restless half sleep most of the night, in and
out. I am happy to say I didn't have the searing pain,
but a nasty dull ache is just as good at keeping one
awake and making one fundamentally miserable. Yet it's
relative, because I am just glad the killer pain seems
to have started to subside on a more regular basis. It
hit hard last night before bedtime, but didn't last
more than a couple hours. Have made an appointment
for physical therapy, which I hope will help with the
really tight tendons around my leg above the knee.
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2009 - 08:56pm PT
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Well, I hoped today would be the day this thread
could begin to die out. I felt quite good most of the
day, but then about 5:30 my knee started hurting in
that fierce kind of way, the nasty stuff. The whole leg
feels kind of shaky, as though it's not ready yet to
behave and feel good. My whole body seems to want to feel
the way the leg does, just kind of off color. But maybe tomorrow
I'll get back to that better place again and stay there...
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Jan
Mountain climber
Okinawa, Japan
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Nov 10, 2009 - 09:09pm PT
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I know this has gone on for so long you've lost perspective because of the pain but you are slowly getting better. One thing to note maybe is not to overdue it. It may be that one day is relatively pain free so you do a lot and then you pay for it the next day?
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2009 - 10:13pm PT
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Yes, that might well be a factor. I didn't think I did
too much today, but then even a little might indeed be
more than I should do. I never have been a very good
patient.
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Patrick Oliver
Boulder climber
Fruita, Colorado
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 10, 2009 - 11:56pm PT
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Me thinks me has deceived myself. Roaring,
ripping pain returned in dumb leg. But I am so
exhausted all I can do is lie here and whimper.
The knot is back somewhat, not as big as it was at
its biggest, but hardened up again. I have a big gel
pack on it. Too tired to go to sleep. Too tired to stay
awake.
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MH2
climber
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Nov 11, 2009 - 01:41am PT
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The specialist you saw on the 4th wanted to see you again in 2 weeks - why not try to go back a little earlier?
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em knot
Trad climber
isle of wyde
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Nov 11, 2009 - 02:34am PT
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Pat,
So sorry for the pain you're going through, along with the vicious cycle of sleep loss. It hurts just to read about it...but not one iota of what you must be feeling in the midst of it.
I spoke with a massage therapist/friend who works with patients at the local hospital and studies alternative healing methods. She suggests energy work such as Reiki or Jin Shin Jyutsu which can be done very gently without directly touching the injured area; acupuncture; or acupressure points which you can do on/for yourself. Clearly you're into self-care so FWIW here's a few thoughts of things that may help as adjuncts to (NOT replacements for!) the all-important medical care:
I sure hope you're sleeping now, but if/when you're awake here's a some info on acupressure points for leg pain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twrONbgabKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oorMyHk3-wQ&feature=related
http://www.headfirstyoga.com/2009/07/treat-leg-pain-with-acupressure_26.html
http://www.aolhealth.com/healthy-living/acupressure
A few remedies for insomnia, commonly available at health food stores:
Calms Forte homeopathic remedy (Hyland)
Yogi Bedtime tea (with valerian)
Warm milk
Calming music and/or recordings of nature sounds.
Deep breathing and meditation (focusing on breathing into and consciously relaxing a painful area can sometimes help.)
Caring touch & hugs (I hope you're getting some of these each day.)
Vitamin E, vitamin C and electrolytes for leg cramps.
Forgive me if this all seems like pollyanna-ish blathering.
I hope you can find some way to ease the pain, to sleep, and to heal. Be patient with yourself; the older we get the longer we take to mend. Know that many people out here are thinking of you and wishing you well.
Namaste,
Nurse Ratchet (not really a nurse, just a crazy old lady at the Old Climbers Home)
PS Best of luck with your new video. I can't tell you how many times I've watched your film of Tom Higgins & Christian Griffith climbing The Vision -- what a classic.
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