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bookworm
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Falls Church, VA
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"The war in Iraq was similar"
in 1991, american forces controlled ALL the oil fields in iraq AND kuwait...who controls them now?
in 2003, american forces once AGAIN controlled all the oil fields in iraq...who controls them now? how many of the new contracts went to american firms?
fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me
name another nation, JUST ONE, who, after thoroughly defeating an enemy, then provided money, labor, and armed protection for that enemy to rebuild their infrastructure, government, and society?
any guesses? any guesses how many times this ONE nation--the ONLY one--has done this? i'll make it easier...guess how many times in just the last decade
the romance of the noble savage is as empty as the south's lost cause...the destruction of the native cultures in the western hemisphere is an ugly mark on our heritage; however, to roundly condemn america as singularly or uniquely guilty makes even less sense than barry's claim that taxing corporate jets will solve our debt problems
humans of every color, ethnicity, nationality, race, religion, etc., have been conquering each other since adam and eve (ok, cain and abel)...the word navajo translates most directly as "human being"...get it? if you ain't navajo, you ain't human...one way the navajo thrived was by preying on the hopi--a non warrior society--for slaves; yeah, i said it, SLAVES
think about all those mexicans claiming california actually belongs to them...how did they get it? i'm fairly certain there weren't any mexicans in california prior to 1492...seriously, if we're guilty of taking the land from anyone, it's the spaniards...or, maybe the texans who actually took it from the spaniards...or did we get it from the french?...or maybe the chinese who got here first by walking from asia...but, they weren't really chinese...
i'm pretty sure the libs who control the schools are telling the kiddies about america's war with the natives--just like they told me 30 years ago
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Ah, bookworm. You always sum up my thoughts in a more peaceful way, with more decorum.
I'll continue to play bad-cop. You continue your righteous path.
Well said, my friend. And rock on! Have a good Independence day.
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Mighty Hiker
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Vancouver, B.C.
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in 1991, american forces controlled ALL the oil fields in iraq AND kuwait...who controls them now?
Allied forces - nearly 1/2 not from the US - liberated Kuwait and occupied some of southern Iraq in 1991. They didn't occupy or control the oilfields of central and northern Iraq - over half - apart from the ability if they'd used it to destroy them from the air. Iraq had limited ability to export its oil - insufficient pipelines, international embargo - but still controlled it.
Myopic triumphalism gets rather tiresome.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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The best thing we can do for humanity, of which Native Americans are an important part, is to make sure the same atrocity doesn't happen to others.
One thing we absolutely SHOULD NOT do is displace thousands of current inhabitants to form a "nation" based on bullshit ancient fairytales... you know, like they did in Israel.
That doesn't answer my question. In your mind, you should commit suicide because you're not not worthy of this land. Either that or move back to Europe, with Lolli.
Have fun!@
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426
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great Comanche Warrior, David Yeagley.
Known in tribal circles as an "apple"...
Comanche Chairman Wallace Coffey: "Yeagley Is a Far Right Racist...I Am Against How Yeagley Thinks....He Does Not Represent the Comanche People"
but, way to argue from "special exception"...so-(read links)-it is doubtful he is Comanche, still, given "bloodlines" even if so...
I guess you agree with old bad eagle? str8 up off Yeagley's website?
So, as a dark man, I’ll say it.
Superior beauty is in the white race, with its scintillating varieties of color: red, brown, amber, golden hair... green, blue, light brown, gray eyes. In the darker races, everything is always the same, dark brown and black―?a beastly bore.
http://www.badeagle.com/html/up_dark.html
There's some even crazier chit on his site (even in that link) imo, but seems you're not getting Bachar's OP even with a "less than casual" reading...
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426
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Myopic triumphalism gets rather tiresome.
Sigh...
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bookworm
Social climber
Falls Church, VA
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"The best thing we can do for humanity, of which Native Americans are an important part, is to make sure the same atrocity doesn't happen to others."
oh, the irony
"One thing we absolutely SHOULD NOT do is displace thousands of current inhabitants to form a "nation" based on bullshit ancient fairytales... you know, like they did in Israel."
ah yes, those poor, defenseless arabs who nobly circumcise their daughters then stone them for getting raped or hang their gay sons...just imagine what a wonderful place the middle east would be if not for the jooooooooooooooos... and, of course, the un
"Does it matter to you at all that the vast majority of "Mexicans", and many Central and South Americans, occupy the same general geographic area that their ancestors did?
wes, does it matter to you at all that the vast majority of AMERICANS occupy the same general geographic area that their ancestors did? hey, my mother's japanese (and a proud american citizen), which means she's really chinese and since the chinese were the first ones in north america i'd say i have a more legitimate claim to cali and everything south than any "mexican"
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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ah yes, those poor, defenseless arabs who nobly circumcise their daughters then stone them for getting raped or hang their gay sons...just imagine what a wonderful place the middle east would be if not for the jooooooooooooooos... and, of course, the un
I wonder what our resident socialist, Lolli, has to say about that. It is a fact.
Wes? Wanna live in a place where clitorectomies are common? Where gays are hung? And the chix are stoned?
Americans are so oppressive...
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Mighty Hiker
climber
Vancouver, B.C.
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There were a lot more than five million people living in what is now called the Americas in 1492. At least 50 million, maybe considerably more - the 'ologists are still quarrelling about it. Pre-contact populations usually dropped to about 10% of what they'd been within 50 years after contact, largely due to disease and violence by colonizers.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Americans are so oppressive...
Nope, just stupid.
Are you American, Wes?
Lolli, no offense really, but your country is destined to failure. Prolly sooner than you think. You can be saved, but not with attitudes such as yours.
2 words, Geert Wilders. I know, you hate him....
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drljefe
climber
El Presidio San Augustin del Tucson
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Hey, let's not forget
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism."
-misattributed to Thomas Jefferson
He did actually say this, though
"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable
on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but
better so than not to be exercised at all.
I like a little rebellion now and then. "
Please don't call me unpatriotic, spoiled, ungrateful, without honor or integrity just because my views on war and the military differ from yours.
Ok?
Thank you.
Happy Sunday.
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Captain...or Skully
climber
or some such
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Like "prolly"? That's a non word that means "I'm lazy".
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mcreel
climber
Barcelona
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With all of this intellectual back and forth, this guy still doesn't look convinced:
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fivesix
Big Wall climber
hope, alaska
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I just had an awesome climb! You know the type where its just challenging enough to keep you hooked but not enough to shut you down! man i love that.............-huh? what? everyones bickering about america? hmm. I could sit down and list millions of things wrong with this country and the thousands of races and individuals it has wronged. Isn't a bit selfish to promote and highlight the wrongs that were done to just your race when there are so many other atrocities that are left unmentioned? Sometimes problems are far too big, complex and premeditated to even warrant being approached, let alone fixed. Some fires just have to burn themselves out. The world is often a horrible place and I've found that a certain level of detachment is required to preserve sanity. I love climbing because it puts you in a place where nothing else matters except figuring out that next move or getting that next hold before the elvis leg ruins your smear. I'll be at the crag whenever everyone is done throwing stones at the human race. No one ever said humanity was on a righteous path and then lost its way. As far as I'm concerned its been one giant downward spiral. So i'm going to spend the rest of my existence enjoying it the best i can, in my own way surrounded by whats important to me.
I'll be on the wall,
-d
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426
climber
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I just wanted to substantiate the actual average monthly dollar amount!
like others, u argue from special exception. I don't think you can put a dollar amount on bigger ideas i.e. Trail of Tears. Unless you actually want to start walking from Georgia to Oklahoma...
I take that back; you technically could actually put the dollar amount;
Despite the majority opposition to this treaty - opposition that was led by Principal Chief John Ross - the eastern lands were sold for $5 million, and the Cherokees agreed to move beyond the Mississippi River to Indian Territory. The senate ratified the treaty despite knowledge that only a minority of Cherokees had accepted it. Within two years the Principal People were to move from their Ancestral homelands.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/trail-of-tears.htm
it seems you are still missing JB's "overarching" OP...
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426
climber
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Sometimes problems are far too big, complex and premeditated to even warrant being approached, let alone fixed.
I disagree; I'm more of the mindset that below is "truer" than your quote...
“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” Albert Einstein
So i'm going to spend the rest of my existence enjoying it the best i can, in my own way surrounded by whats important to me.
Grats!
“A problem is a chance for you to do your best.”
Duke Ellington
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ron gomez
Trad climber
fallbrook,ca
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Got to spend the weekend with some incredible people, celebrating John.
Peace
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nice shot, Ron. Have a good day.
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