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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:13pm PT
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"You need some dairy but not over do it. "
The nutritional research upon which my doctor's advice rests suggests that some animal fats are required to mobilize toxins. There is evidence, though I doubt hard-won clinical evidence, that a strict vegan diet will lock toxins into the body.
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WBraun
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:22pm PT
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The nutritional research upon which my doctor's advice rests suggests that some animal fats are required to mobilize toxins.
Stay away from that guy then as he will screw you up.
You won't believe me but that doesn't matter.
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:30pm PT
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haha.
I do value your input Werner.
I'm not clinging to many beliefs here; proofs to support them can be elusive.
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SteveW
Trad climber
The state of confusion
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Feb 27, 2009 - 01:41pm PT
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Tar
No alcohol. No coffee.
What would anyone want to live for????
(sorry, had to have a bit of levity here). . .
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larabee
Trad climber
Cottonwood Arizona
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Feb 27, 2009 - 04:49pm PT
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I'll be there brother...I cherish all the years we climbed and hung out together....see you there..I'll drag Freriks along with me.
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Buggs
Trad climber
Eagle River, Alaska
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Feb 27, 2009 - 05:44pm PT
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Gawd how I would love to be there! Not gonna be possible for me. However, I will participate in spirit and in kind.
Cowboy Hats off to Roy!
With prayers,
Buggs
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Tarbuster
climber
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Feb 27, 2009 - 06:18pm PT
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Werner,
I meant, when I said animal fats, to imply dairy & support what you'd said...
No matter, for that terse response,
You'll be getting either a noogie or wedgie and you won't know which until the day comes.
And 'cuz you may attempt escape from my scrawny grasp, Walleye will gladly assist I'm quite sure.
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MH2
climber
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Feb 27, 2009 - 09:28pm PT
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I've been really curious if a static/progressive microvascular congenital defect or disease might be at play.
If you would like to re-cast that as a question or two I will ask a physician who is a specialist in that area. Caveat: in the last few weeks she has locked her keys in her car and on another occasion lost a set of car keys. The lost keys got returned by a stranger, though, so she may owe karma one.
I haven't caught up with what is going on here, but did see matisse say that medicine is well-equipped for short-term and especially life-threatening problems and not nearly so good at fixing chronic problems. True. We want answers but the strategy may come down to making a bad situation a little better. That is always possible.
Have any large-animal vets given you advice? Sometimes they know things that people docs don't. Compartment syndrome might be up their alley. One of them back in my home town found a pill that really helped my Mom's hay fever when other remedies hadn't done much.
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 10:27pm PT
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MH2,
Thanks for the offer; yes I will try to elucidate that a bit more clearly. This will include a quick break down on a thing called Reflex Sympathetic Dystrophy Syndrome. Right now I need a break; my arms are absolutely shredded with all of this great back-and-forth I'm receiving here, voice-activated or not, so check back tomorrow night please (thanks for your patience).
And no, I haven't talked to any veterinarians.
I did get some DMSO at a horse and saddle kind of place, and picked up a bottle of glucosamine/chondroitin with Hyaluronic Acid and maybe collagen and stuff. The gal said: "yeah, this stuff is for horses, but my boyfriend is pretty beat up from construction, and he just gobbles the stuff and says it works."
...Plus a few bottles of various equestrian salves and appointments (HPQR & Thermaflex; both liniments), and some eucalyptus wraps for horse legs. None of it worked for me, but hey...
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Ezra
Social climber
WA, NC, Idaho Falls
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Feb 27, 2009 - 10:31pm PT
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Tar,
All of that metabolic stuff was taught in basic science, but other than the mercury toxicity, increased homocystine and a few other things, we don't use it much in daily practice. If you have thrived as an adult (you current problems not with standing) it is some what unlikely that the krebs and glycolysis cycles are likely to be productive in a work up, in my opinion.
My opinion is biased by an evidence based philosophy (ie reproducible scientific clinical trials with randomization and placebo control).
Wishing you the best!
-e
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 10:42pm PT
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Understood.
Thanks for making that plain.
I'm looking into targeting a vascular surgeon who's seen or hopefully dealt with the TOC & CCS we've been discussing, given the absence of standard presentation as I seem to show.
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jlf
Trad climber
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Feb 27, 2009 - 10:53pm PT
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God bless Roy and his quest for financial security; as interesting as it may be.
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Lynne Leichtfuss
Social climber
valley center, ca
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Feb 27, 2009 - 10:55pm PT
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jlf, ?, Your kidding right'o ? Did I miss something ? Could be, had to work alot lately. Or are yo jess ......havin' an inside joke ? Cheers, lrl
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 11:04pm PT
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jlf
hahahahhaha.
I would call that an "out"side joke.
I knew you would back me up somehow Walleye.
You are a good man.
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Ezra
Social climber
WA, NC, Idaho Falls
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Feb 27, 2009 - 11:17pm PT
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Tar,
I didn't mean to sound like a total prick, I just don't incorporate that in to my daily practice. My wife has had amazing results with acupuncture treating her chronic asthma, I have seen reproducible results with it and western medicine has almost no ability to explain why acupuncture works, so there is a lot out there that we can't explain. I guess when western medicine fails us (as it often does) it makes sense to seek other avenues.
best, -e
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Tarbuster
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Feb 27, 2009 - 11:43pm PT
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Ezra,
I appreciate your perspective. I know that stuff is unconventional, and at a certain point, unschooled as I am, I'm a consumer, not an expert and could be taken in by any number of alternative approaches. I can see how I may have pushed it out there a little strongly, so I apologize for any of that; ultimately it's not my place to defend these unproven approaches because I don't have the tools.
Having straightahead doctors, such as yourself, come forth on this thread and bracket some of this for me is very useful, and I need this to make sense of my options and smartly assess choices. Your initial appraisal was accurate (I know it’s not evidence based medicine) and I value your reflection.
Cheers,
Roy
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Prod
Trad climber
A place w/o Avitars apparently
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Feb 28, 2009 - 08:28am PT
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Hey Ezra,
I sure would like to chat with your wife about her asthma and acupuncture.
Thanks,
Prod.
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Ezra
Social climber
WA, NC, Idaho Falls
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Feb 28, 2009 - 02:16pm PT
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Prod,
Wife said she would be happy to communicate via e-mail. E-mail me with asthma in the subject title and I will forward it to her.
ezraellis@hotmail.com
Tar, no need to apologize, it is great how hard you are working to resolve your health issues, so many people sit passively by and do nothing.
Best, -e
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Todd Gordon
Trad climber
Joshua Tree, Cal
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Feb 28, 2009 - 02:22pm PT
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Stonemaster
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graham
Social climber
Ventura, California
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Feb 28, 2009 - 02:43pm PT
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Too cool, an ancient boulderer.
Did you make that or find it? Is it real? (or real good photoshop?)
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