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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:37pm PT
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Nice reply....
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:40pm PT
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T Moses
Trad climber
Paso Robles
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:46pm PT
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I don't think I was the first to see it.
You should feel silly.
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Largo
Sport climber
Venice, Ca
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:54pm PT
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Dirtbag wrote-
"Is there any reliable contemporary evidence that Jesus (the man) even existed?"
There`s no video or nothing but a historical Jesus certainly is admitted by many sources with at least as much frequency as the various Caesars that were his contemporaries. Or thatīs what many historians have written at any rate.
I believe that any open minded person who reads the Gospels will not dispute
Jesusī remarkable moral authority, compassion and wisdom. He seems made of special stuff, born of a better or superior world.
The problems arise when he is accorded superhero physical powers (curing blindness and insanity, walking on water, rising from the dead) and a supernatural ancestry, the likes of which have never been witnessed and documented in modern times. There is no cross-referencing the miracles of Jesus. They are unique, apparently, or simply religious adornments.
Part of me thinks that following the pattern of myth making, writers simply jazzed Jesus up a little with the resurrection and all that. Another part of me wonders exactly who he was - notwithstanding the given labels such as son of man or son of God. One wonders what is really meant with these labels, beyond the glib, stock-in-trade answers provided in Sunday School. I sense you`ll just stall out trying to overthink such questions. Still one wonders . . .
Perhaps he`s a mystery that will never be totally understood.
Like many, things like the virgin birth are not especially useful to me. Even if true fantastic wonders donīt in and of themselves have transformative powers. More than magic, when I think of Jesus I think of unsurpassable humility, and that, ironically, is perhaps where the real power lies after all.
JL
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2009 - 09:56pm PT
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Obviously nobody could have figured those things out without divine intervention.
This is useless.
If you have read the history of ancient cultures, the Bible, you'd understand that many thought that living for pleasure without consequence was cool. If it feels good, do it, man! Drink up, party, screw that guy sitting next to you, f*#k chix till morning. Lie to people because there's no consequence.
Eventually, somehow, people saw a consequence to these actions. Was it divine? I can't prove anything. But what I do know is that, somehow, living life in a Biblical moral way avoids a lot of 'consequence' somehow.
As a result I have found that living a life according to God's laws, I'm way happier.
I had forgon religion for a while in my life to pursue 'my pleasures'. In retrospect I wasn't that happy. Sure I was high and thought sh#t was solid, but after giving a lot of that up I'm much happier and feel that I'm more in touch with God.
I was blinded by perversion and essentially the Devil's hands.
Laugh if you want, mock me, or whatever, that's the way I see it.
If there is a God there has to be a Devil who steers us and entices us to do the wrong things. He lies and deceives. If he showed himself there would be no more proof needed that God existed. And so he lurks and entices. He guides us to do the wrong things in God's eyes.
He's really a f*#king prick, he's good at what he does, Satan, or whatever you call him. Other religion have other names.
He's the force that deters you from the right path and he's a f*#king as#@&%e!!!
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S.Powers
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Jtree, now in Alaska
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:05pm PT
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climber
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:09pm PT
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S.Powers
You can't kill anything, you're just a puny mortal like all the rest of us ....
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S.Powers
Social climber
Jtree, now in Alaska
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:11pm PT
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damn...
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:19pm PT
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"There`s no video or nothing but a historical Jesus certainly is admitted by many sources with at least as much frequency as the various Caesars that were his contemporaries. Or thatīs what many historians have written at any rate. "
Thanks Largo. But I'm looking for more concrete evidence, because many historians also don't believe he existed at all, or at least don't think there's enough evidence either way. It's asking a lot, I know, for reliable evidence of a person's actualu existence 2000 years after he lived. But faith asks a lot too. People live and die by this stuff.
I actually don't know or have an answer.
Accounts from the Bible are not contemporary, but written after his death by people who never knew him.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:29pm PT
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because many historians also don't believe he existed at all, or at least don't think there's enough evidence either way.
Kinda like Global Warning?
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:32pm PT
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Om Namah Shivaya
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:32pm PT
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Jai Jai Hanuman
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:32pm PT
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Pass me a PBR.
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dirtbag
climber
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:36pm PT
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"because many historians also don't believe he existed at all, or at least don't think there's enough evidence either way.
Kinda like Global Warning? "
Um, bluering, no.
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nature
climber
Tucson, AZ
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:37pm PT
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It's called "Global Climate Change"
Carry on.
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Ricky D
Trad climber
Sierra Westside
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:37pm PT
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Captain...or Skully
Social climber
way, WAY out there....(OMG)
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Jul 14, 2009 - 10:38pm PT
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Sweet!
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