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snyd

Sport climber

Lexington, KY

Dec 28, 2007 - 07:30pm PT

cabo
san jose del cabo, baja
May 3rd 2008

You should see him! He looks like eminem!

You should call him.
email me and I will bust with his addy and digits.

It's been a long time bro!

Meaty

climber

Dec 28, 2007 - 07:34pm PT

It would be great to see you and Kenny, I did see photo or two and he did look like Eminem. It has been a long time!

Gotta go, be back later.

WBraun

climber

Dec 28, 2007 - 07:48pm PT

Dirty Kenny looking like eminem?

Chris you are projecting.

'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber

like Oakville, Ontario, Canada, eh?

Dec 28, 2007 - 08:12pm PT

"For instance, MOST PEOPLE, given the choice, when they need to take a dump in the wild, would not go to the trouble of finding ropes to Sh!t on."

Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!! I laughed out loud at that one!

snyd

Sport climber

Lexington, KY

Dec 28, 2007 - 08:48pm PT

Here's the proof Werner.

WBraun

climber

Dec 28, 2007 - 09:36pm PT

LOL, OK Chris

But can he rap?

Da_Dweeb

climber

Dec 28, 2007 - 09:42pm PT

Radical,

“Point well taken and I have no problem with that to be honest.
But my job is making snap decisions about people when their lives are involved - and I'm very good at it..
So I'm confident I'm probably right or at least partially right.
Easy to be loved when your a teacher or leader and that is the point of my post.”

You know what, that’s fair. I don’t agree with you, but on both our parts that’s unlikely to change and probably won’t be able to change outside of real life interactions. I would also argue the point that teaching and leadership are more difficult than your initial appraisal, but ultimately that’s not what I came to post about in the first place. Thank you for your concession to not speculate publicly about Mark in absence of first hand experience. I do wish you well. =)

Snyd,
Holy crap! Is that the real Slim Shady?

Tom

Big Wall climber

San Luis Obispo CA

Dec 28, 2007 - 09:56pm PT

If he can't rap, does he just downclimb?

My comment about "nobody" thinking of freeing the Big Slab in 1982 should have been more at, "Nobody had made a serious attempt at freeing the line". In other words, there wasn't a bolt belay anchor at the top of a first pitch.

I guess they could have belayed and retreated from hooks.

Peyton Hassinger

Big Wall climber

Raleigh, NC

Jul 15, 2008 - 01:29pm PT

"Incidentally, where are the tall claims of clean/hammerless ascents of Zodiac these days?"

Pete: FYI my brother and a friend did a clean ascent of Zodiac shortly after the Hubers cleaned most of the fixed gear. It is do-able.

MisterE

Trad climber

My Inner Nut

Nov 11, 2008 - 09:22am PT

Bump

MisterE

Trad climber

Canoga Porn, CA

Aug 15, 2009 - 01:30am PT

I gotta bump this again - one of my top 10 threads ever.

Mighty Hiker

Social climber

Vancouver, B.C.

Aug 15, 2009 - 01:48am PT

The definitive tell-all thread is at http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.html?topic_id=518116

dogtown

climber

Cheyenne,Wyoming

Aug 15, 2009 - 07:07am PT

Look, the bottom line is this; Mark & Richard’s mistake was they were outsiders from So Cal. And didn’t spend the time necessary blowing,asking and begging the Valley boy’s (SAR) aka the stone Nazis of the time, for permission to do the route that none of them had the ball’s to do in the first place. THEY JUST DID IT ! And it just pissed off the whole little valley world.

I was there! I heard all the bullshit first hand and was a eyewitness.

Oh and for all you as#@&%e that don’t know what the f*#k you talking about and weren't there.

Blow Me. You know who you are!

zip

Trad climber

pacific beach, ca

Aug 15, 2009 - 10:07am PT

So, has there been a second ascent?

Did Ammon and PP do this route?

Trying to find a TR.

Btown

Mountain climber

Grand Junction, CO

Mar 12, 2011 - 10:57pm PT

Wow, I have now been reading this topic for like three or four hours. Fascinating story, really. Now I admit I dont really have much to offer here. I am not an aid climber and, sadly, have never even been to Yosemite. It seems like a big portion of this argument could be solved with a SA. Now, much of this back-and-forth was going on in 2005 and I am writing now in 2011. Has anyone repeated this route? I am guessing not because I haven't heard anything about it. I imagine news like that would spread quickly.

Side note: I read a funny April Fool's post (I cant remember if it was here or on Mountain Project) that claimed two spaniards climbed WoS free, spray painting the good holds all the way. HaHa!!

tooth

Trad climber

The Best Place On Earth

Mar 13, 2011 - 12:28am PT

If the crappers hadn't done their thing, had the 'locals' accepted the climb, we would have had other people accepting that it was possible in their minds, and would today have seen not only a second and third ascent but more routes along these lines...

Just like the 4-minute mile.

If someone had crapped in Roger Bannister's shoes and influenced society to think that it was no fun, bad style, or too scary to run then it could have been at least 30 years before anyone else would have seconded a 4-minute mile. Like sport/bouldering etc, people simply would have started running off-road, or uphill without fully pushing the limits of track running.