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John Moosie
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Beautiful California
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:21pm PT
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"As for whether or not she is for drilling in ANWAR she will work for John McCain NOT the other way around. '
This statement fails to deal with the very real possibility that McCain could be disabled or die.
She is for drilling ANWAR, She is also for making Abortion illegal. Her positions on these two subjects are very clear.
Its going to be real fun to see if the Alaska state government now backpedals on its investigation of her firing of the public safety manager. My guess is that they will, because it would be political suicide to go after her now. Considering how staunchly republican Alaskans are.
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dmalloy
Trad climber
eastside
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:27pm PT
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>>She like the rest of us are against the ridiculous use of these regulations.
Exactly how qualified are you to rate what is a ridiculous use of a regulation and what is not?
The last 8 years have offered a lot of examples of politicians ignoring science, instead relying on rhetoric like our "Healthy Forest" act. I would be happy if our politicians would honestly and openly debate the good of environmental regulation vs economic benefit.
Referring to any regulation that is distasteful as "ridiculous" is a cheap way to avoid having that discussion.
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:32pm PT
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You and Bluering must have some connection that the rest of us don't. You seem certain that he wont die. Could you tell me the lottery numbers for next weeks california superlotto?
I didn't say that he WOULD die, I said that he MIGHT, and the primary responsibility of the vice president is to be ready and able to take over if the president dies or is disabled.
Do you really think she is ready to take over? She has admitted to knowing nothing about Iraq. ah.. whats the use. You couldn't take a critical look at her unless she was a democrat.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:39pm PT
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How well is Sarah Palin prepared to deal with Presidential issues?
She is governor of Alaska, where:
percentage of population, black: 3.7%
percentage of population latino: 5%
So she is well trained in race relations.
23rd in infant mortality, although has run huge surpluses for years. Guess it doesn't "trickle down" to those unborn and newborns that are cared so much about?
42nd in teacher salaries, although it costs more to live in Alaska, and the state has huge surpluses.
7th highest in violent crime. Guess she understands how to keep us safe.
3rd highest unemployment rate. Well, she'll just kick the bums off welfare, I guess.
43rd state in home ownership percentage. I guess "pride of ownership" doesn't apply.
10th in traffic fatality rate.
One of the biggest concerns, is that she comes from running a state with HUGE LONG TERM surpluses, for the forseeable future.
She is not used to working in a situation of monumental deficits. Remember that Clinton had Gore work on government efficiency, and the deficit turned into a surplus. How will she do this?
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Lost Arrow
Trad climber
The North Ridge of the San Fernando
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:43pm PT
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Left wing liberals.
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Ken M
Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:44pm PT
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skipt, you consider someone who has left the US twice in her life to be better prepared to deal with foreign issues than someone who has spent significant time overseas? I can virtually assure you that she has never met the leader of any country outside the US.
Her economic credentials make me cry.
Her foreign policy experience is non-existant. How many people in Alaska were targeted with anthrax? Has she ever MET an army general, much less interrogated them?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 30, 2008 - 11:47pm PT
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I would disagree with you on her being more prepared then Obama.
She has been governor of Alaska, population 670,000 people for 1.5 years. before that she was mayor of a town of 7000. She graduated with a BA in journalism for the university of Idaho. She has zero national political experience.
The mayor of Fresno california has more experience then she does and I wouldn't want him to be the VP.
Obama's qualifications far outweigh hers. ( I could care less if she is a woman or a man )
Oh, and what you said about Obama lying about being a professor. You are wrong again. This is what the university of chicago law school said.
http://www.law.uchicago.edu/media/index.html
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:13am PT
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"If he is a scholar point to the Books or anything else he has written on the subject and I will correct it."
I wonder how many scholars haven't written books. I know a fair number. He taught constitutional law at a well respected Law School. It is bizarre to me that you would say that this doesn't make him a scholar on the subject.
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"As for you absurd statement that Gov. Palen is not as qualified as the mayor of Fresno I will let that statement speak for itself. '
Similar size, though Fresno is way more diverse. This round goes to the mayor of Fresno.
Alaska depends on oil revenues to fund its government, Fresno depends on taxation. This round goes to the Fresno mayor.
Corruption, they both excel at it and the Fresno mayor has gone after it, while also doing shady thing. This is a wash as the same can be said about Palin.
I think the Mayor of Fresno is winning.
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:21am PT
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I don't want to gloat, but Skip, you have been thoroughly discredited by those with whom you have chosen to argue tonight:
1. You have no rebuttal to my abortion question, upon which you seemed supremely confident.
2. Your outrageous claim that Palin is "more experienced" than Obama has been exposed several times, in several ways.
3. You have watered down your unfair spin about Obama supposedly not having been a legit constitutional law professor.
I think you should go to bed, think about things, and then get back to the thread with a clear head. I don't want to be a dick, but it fires me up to see you so aloof and dismissive when you get dominated and start to look bad. So stick to your guns, even if you're shooting blanks, eh friend?
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John Moosie
climber
Beautiful California
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:23am PT
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"There would be countless experts and advisers and office holders to help guide the way. "
You mean like Bush has. LOL.
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coward
Trad climber
Boulder, Wyoming
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:28am PT
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Lois,
Is it too much to ask for a candidate to be measurably intelligent and at least to a degree, independent of "advisors?"
I will point out that the fact that you support Palin 100% is a serious red flag for most of us on this site.
What do you like about her POLICIES? Or are you going to vote with your vagina this go round regardless?
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 12:58am PT
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Yeah John, don't you sleep better knowing Bush has good advisers? :-)
Here's a major problem that I see with Palin's candidacy.
I think it is fair for Obama's opponents to question his thin experience in foreign policy and leadership, or question how much his accomplishments and resume have been inflated.
Fine. We should be asking those kinds of questions about our candidates.
But one thing Obama has done for over two years rather well since taking the initial steps to become president: he has learned to handle being in the Washington pressure cooker/fish bowl. In the process, he has run a very good campaign, even pulling an upset in the primaries by beating the Democratic Party's favorite establishment candidate.
I think this is very important. Can Palin, a newcomer to the national scene, handle, thrive, and even enjoy this kind of intense attention and scrutiny? McCain seems up to it. He has spent years in the Senate and campaigning nationally. So are other Republican and Democratic presidential candidates.
What about Palin? Can she handle and actually thrive under the extreme intense media feeding frenzy she is now subjected to? How will she handle major mistakes in her campaign? Or major crises in the world? Or the inevitable skeletons in her closet that will be revealed? Will she stand firm? Or will she retreat into a bubble.
I think campaigns are very important. It takes time, experience, a lot of confidence/ego, and a lot of stamina to be President. And I think candidates learn a lot by being candidates. The campaign process weeds out many of those who are simply not up to that task. But for now, we have no idea--none--if this half-term governor from a small remote state is ready for prime time as she takes her first steps into the national spotlight.
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Tan Slacks
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:00am PT
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I have read about 95% of all the posts on this thread so excuse me if this has already been offered.
Based on what we are all learning about McCains experience with Palin and the fact that his close friend was still in consideration only days ago. It seems somewhat obvious that Palin was a late and quick decision. A last minute "gut" call by McCain. Like someone earlier keeps boasting about his prediction that McCain would pick a woman. I would like to predict that Governer Palin will withdraw he acceptance of the nomination. Her excuse will be that she did not realize how much her family needs her.
This pick reminds me when W pick his girlfriend for the supreme court.
I look forward to see where this all goes.....
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (someplace else)
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:10am PT
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Once & for all, the word is 'LOSING', not 'loosing'.........
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Captain...or Skully
Big Wall climber
up Yonder (someplace else)
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Aug 31, 2008 - 01:43am PT
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Nice fish, though.......
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 02:19am PT
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"As for #3, the VP really does not do all that much."
Except become the President if the elected Prez croaks, which is not a far-fetched scenario for a 72 yo man.
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Ouch!
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 02:32am PT
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Lois, don't take this as personal but after reading this thread, I suspect if you were around in the early days, suffrage would still be suffering. LOL!
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dirtbag
climber
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Aug 31, 2008 - 02:45am PT
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"True, dirtbag, but as I stated previously, all manner of persons would be available to help her out if McCain croaks. "
That applies to any president, including the bad ones.
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Patrick Sawyer
climber
Originally California now Ireland
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Aug 31, 2008 - 03:21am PT
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After reading this thread and several other threads on the Taco Stand relating to this issue, as well as reading some other publications and online news sources, I have come to the conclusion that McCain has handed the election to Obama with his choice of Palin.
The woman may look good on the outside (perhaps) but I fear the her inner soul won't be good for America overall. And to think that, with her beliefs, she could be next in line to the presidency. Disturbing, to say the least.
And BTW, like super troll (or super nimwit) Lost Arrow/Juan de Fuca, I am beginning to finally agree with others, Lois is a troll.
While this is a Climber's Forum (and not climbing forum) and thereby subject to non-climbing threads and non-climbing posts (of which I am very guilty of myself), it does seem strange that a total, self-confessed non-climber, such as Lois would post here. Sure there are no rules that you have to be, or have been, a climber, but WTF, why does she stay on here (but to be a troll)?
That said, she did give me some good advice via e-mail about 18-months ago re: Nurse Practitioner.
As for me, I lead a 5.8 (HVS-), followed a 5.10b (E2) and bouldered over the weekend here (it has been dry for several days, though no sun, just overcast with peeks of sun).
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