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bluering
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Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 06:10pm PT
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That hurts, Dingus.....
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Forest
Trad climber
Denver, CO
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Feb 25, 2010 - 06:15pm PT
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I'm happy to say that I gave a sizeable amount of dough (for me, at least) to both the ACLU and Amnesty International a few years back. Other recipients of my money, and who should probably be on your list of "communism" (really, communism? What is this, the 50s?)
Planned Parenthood
Democracy Now
Water for People
Natural Resources Defense Council
(p.s. a national civilian service corps is not a civilian police force, no matter how many times Limbaugh and Beck claim otherwise.)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 06:32pm PT
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Forest he said "civilian security force". Watch the video.
"That's just as powerful" as the military.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 07:20pm PT
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Is this propaganda? Obama encouraging people to 'persuade' people through talk radio.
CALLING TIPS
* Be polite, respectful, and clear. Remember, you represent Organizing for America.
* How radio stations will connect you will depend on the show. Some radio shows may connect you right away, but most will take your name and basic info and put you on hold. You may or may not be able to hear the broadcast on the show while you're waiting. You may hear the radio host say something like, "Hello, we have your name on the line with us."
* Some hosts may challenge your views. Stay calm and firm. Sharing a personal story about how health reform affects you and your family is a great way to show the importance and urgency of health reform.
* If you can't get through, don't worry! If the show you call is busy or not accepting calls at the moment you call in, simply click "Give me another show" to find another.
DISCUSSION POINTS
These points are only to provide extra information and suggestions. Your personal story will make the most compelling message.
* For most Americans, their health care plan covers too little and costs too much. Far too many people delay or even skip the care they need because they simply can’t afford it.
* The plan the President laid out includes the largest health care tax cut for middle class families in history and makes coverage more affordable for tens of millions of families and small business owners and expands coverage to over 31 million Americans who are currently uninsured.
* This plan will give millions of Americans new choices in health insurance by making coverage more affordable, ending the denial of coverage for pre-existing conditions, putting power in the hands of consumers instead of insurance companies and providing one of the largest tax cuts in history while also reducing our national deficit.
* Reform couldn’t be more urgent – just this month consumers in California were told their premiums could go up as much as 39 percent.
* Too many in Washington are now saying that we should delay or give up on reform entirely, but Americans understand the stakes for our economy and our lives, and we want action.
http://radio.barackobama.com/
All the stuff isn't totally factual and the prez is telling people to propagate this stuff with the intent of mis-informing/indoctrinating people.
No?
And at the top of the page is this;
The fate of health reform has been a focus of debate in living rooms and offices, on TV and online -- and on talk radio. And since millions of folks turn to talk radio as a trusted source of news and opinions, we need to make sure OFA supporters are calling in with a pro-reform message.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 25, 2010 - 07:37pm PT
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Hey Bluey, you were born too late, you should have been on HUAC. Uncle Joe could have been your relative.
DICKHEAD.
That's the best I can say, because you have proven yourself to be an as#@&%e with this thread. And to think that I use to think that you were alright. But then you are a TROLL. Sob, "and I thought that Bluey was human, who would have thought?" ;-)
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 07:40pm PT
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I'm curious what changed my status in your mind? Any particular comment?
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 25, 2010 - 07:49pm PT
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Hey Bluey, the best thing that you can do is to let your brain engage before your mouth. Did that ever occur to you? But then, a brain full of McDonalds and Captain Crunch can be dangerous. Let us real Americans take care of the country and planet, not you tea-bagging confused morons who want to suck up to the likes of Glenn Beck and such. Gee, is that a poster of Ann Coulter on your bedroom wall? ;-)
I'll be behind the bicycle shed after school. Meet you there.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 07:51pm PT
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Nobody suggested that yet, Locker.
Socialist, yeah, but not a commie yet....But commies like Lenin and Marx historically started slow and took steps towards anti-capitalism. That the philosophy of so many, just look at the philosophy of the Frankfurt School.
And I'll be damned if I just sit here and watch a Marxist revolution take place. At what point does it become a Marxist cultural revolution? That's the trick they deploy.
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But then, a brain full of McDonalds and Captain Crunch can be dangerous. Let us real Americans take care of the country and planet, not you tea-bagging confused morons who want to suck up to the likes of Glenn Beck and such. Gee, is that a poster of Ann Coulter on your bedroom wall? ;-)
You know me real well don't you, in your mind? Who's being stereotypical and bigoted? I gotta eat McWhatever to be an anti-communist? Or if I am am an anti-communist I must be a f*#k-tard moron?
Wes, why can't he be all four?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 08:05pm PT
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Wes, how do you know what I read? You can only know what I post. Why are you people so assuming?
I read some left-wing stuff. Some 'independent' stuff (AP, UPI, Reuters). The problem is that they are silent on some issues. Factual issues.
Surely you are capable of understanding this. How many times have you heard mention of Obama's radio program or his civilian security force?
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 25, 2010 - 08:12pm PT
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I must be a f*#k-tard moron
You said it Bluey. What did you have a good look in the mirror? Must be the case.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 08:12pm PT
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The real question is, why do you cling so desperately to the Catholic Church after it rejected you? Are you not capable of forming a personal relationship with Christ?
Again the assumptions. I was googling the story and that link was the most comprehensive. I provided you with different links, but you won't mention that because it disproves your theory that it is strictly a moronic Catholic-based conspiracy.
As a scientist this paints you as a biased person. I understand we're loose here, but stop being disengenuous. You want your 'scientific', 'intellectual', standards to be respected but deny when I offer corresponding data from Congressional record.
There are many sources that documented the trevails of communist ideology. I think you know this too.
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 25, 2010 - 08:15pm PT
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Gene put up a great video. Republicans just won't get it.
I am certain that my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our people impel. This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure as it has endured, will revive and will prosper. So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life a leadership of frankness and vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.
In such a spirit on my part and on yours we face our common difficulties. They concern, thank God, only material things. Values have shrunken to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay has fallen; government of all kinds is faced by serious curtailment of income; the means of exchange are frozen in the currents of trade; the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side; farmers find no markets for their produce; the savings of many years in thousands of families are gone.
More important, a host of unemployed citizens face the grim problem of existence, and an equally great number toil with little return. Only a foolish optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment.
Yet our distress comes from no failure of substance. We are stricken by no plague of locusts. Compared with the perils which our forefathers conquered because they believed and were not afraid, we have still much to be thankful for. Nature still offers her bounty and human efforts have multiplied it. Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply. Primarily this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind’s goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.
True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They know only the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.
The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.
Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy and moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves and to our fellow men.
Oops! I forgot, FDR was a SOCIALIST!!
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 25, 2010 - 08:39pm PT
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And I'll be damned if I just sit here and watch a Marxist revolution take place. At what point does it become a Marxist cultural revolution? That's the trick they deploy.
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.
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Patrick Sawyer
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Originally California now Ireland
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Feb 25, 2010 - 08:41pm PT
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Come on folks, let's not get too down on Bluey. It is apparent that he really thinks that America is under threat from the lefties. He deserves our sympathy and we should start a fundraising drive to get the guy some psychchriatic, eh, some psyching, eh, physickie, eh... some sort of help. Help.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 08:50pm PT
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Sometimes I like you people, and other times I'm puzzled. So Marxism is not so bad? You guys dig it!
That's the big difference I suppose. Conservatives are quite open with their objectives, lefties seem to be all over the place. Twisting and spiralling the truth and intent....
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Gary
climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
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Feb 25, 2010 - 09:04pm PT
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Conservatives are quite open with their objectives
Certainly Reagan and the Bushes were out in the open about their objectives. They promised to f*#k up the American worker and they did. The middle class is next. And bluering is correct, they are out in the open about it. And people still vote for them, because who else will protect us from godless communism! And those darkies...
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Hawkeye
climber
State of Mine
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Feb 25, 2010 - 09:26pm PT
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wow bluey....
i lived in west berlin, you remember, the whole wall and sh%%, checkpoint charlie all of that. i travelled to communist East Germany and other east-bloc countries.
you are far more worried than even the residents of those countries were about big brother and the red threat.
help is available
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 09:41pm PT
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Certainly Reagan and the Bushes were out in the open about their objectives. They promised to f*#k up the American worker and they did. The middle class is next.
I thought the workers were the middle class.
And bluering is correct, they are out in the open about it. And people still vote for them, because who else will protect us from godless communism! And those darkies...
WTF are you talking about?
Hawkeye said;
you are far more worried than even the residents of those countries were about big brother and the red threat.
and yet who succumbed to oppression and totalitarianism??? Us or the East Germans? Of course they went along, they had to!!!
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Ricky said;
Bluering, if you look at the entirety of this thread in a different context, say people, not friends per se, but people with some level of interest in you, are overwhelmingly suggesting you have some sort of cognitive deficiency. Let's forget about politics and economics for a brief moment and may I suggest to you you have a genuine problem. Paranoia barely scratches the surface I fear. Perhaps there is someone here on Super Topo who is a mental health professional and can offer you some advice. Perhaps a referral to someone who is local for you. I humbly suggest that you may be a happier, healthier human being and will enjoy your remaining days much more if you get some help in the near future.
I am not kidding here (I almost put that in all caps, but that's not my style). Politics have no bearing here. You have an issue you need to address. I wish you the best of luck.
Let me guess, you think Dr. F is rational and I'm deluded/paranoid/insane, right?
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, Ca.
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Topic Author's Reply - Feb 25, 2010 - 09:50pm PT
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i travelled to communist East Germany and other east-bloc countries.
Hawkeye, I work with Hungarians and Western Russians too, what do your buddies tell you about the differences between communistic rule and democratic/parliamentary rule?
Be honest.
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