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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 15, 2018 - 12:58pm PT
Setting aside the near-rabid anti-Hillary sentiment that exists on both sides, even if she's got the chutzpah to take on Trump, I'm not sure that kind of drama is of great enough interest to create a winning majority. The amount of stoooopid drama that has been a part of American politics has wildly accelerated in the last two years, and I'm not sure watching anyone match Trump's blather is appealing to key voters (with the exception of the psycho-Trumpsters, that is).
Gnome Ofthe Diabase

climber
Out Of Bed
Nov 15, 2018 - 01:29pm PT
I'm going on the theory that in most things other than Real Estate,
I always back the loserI said it somewhere else I'm not a betting man; having missed the Vietnam draft. . .
I already won
Gambling - Taking risks (climbing) that's another story
Happiegrrrl2

Trad climber
Nov 15, 2018 - 03:27pm PT
Although I know Hillary Clinton is qualified to be president, and would vote for her if she was the nominee, I hope she doesn't go for it. 2016 was such a toxic campaign, I wish for a candidate that is not attached to that time for the 2020 campaign. Bernie and Hilary should definitely campaign FOR whomever gets the nomination, but we need to move forward.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Nov 15, 2018 - 03:28pm PT

......Hillary being the only Dem able to hold her own against Trump

I'll pay Hillary $50 not to run and I suspect lots of other people would too. Maybe I should start a GoFundMe campaign with that goal; wonder how much it would raise? Hmmmmm.

https://www.gofundme.com/help-hillary-not-run-for-president&rcid=r01-154232507889-b20628b505a34cf3&pc=em_co_campmgmt_w

August West

Trad climber
Where the wind blows strange
Nov 15, 2018 - 03:41pm PT
"Why should he be? You think republicans will turn on him?"


Yes, absolutely they will.

The right combination of Mueller investigative findings, along with a slacking economy, will certainly be enough to get a significant portion of Republicans in Congress to start to move against him. Though many have enjoyed drafting behind him, there are also plenty of Republicans that are as sick of his blathering sh#t as anyone.

The voters will do the same: sure, his base will turn out for him even if he shoots someone in Times Square, but there are more than enough 2016 Trump voters out there who would bail on him (for similar reasons as Congressional Republicans) if a reasonable alternative was presented.

If Trump squashes the Mueller investigation, their will be outrage, outrage I tell you, for a few days. And then R's will get back on board.

The slacking economy is the fault of Obama and the new Dems in the House, and China stealing our jobs, and its all fake news anyway. The economy has never been better for the little guy and the Washington swamp has been completely drained, and anyway, what about Benghazi and the millions of terrorists from central America coming to rape your daughters...
wilbeer

Mountain climber
Terence Wilson greeneck alleghenys,ny,
Nov 15, 2018 - 04:20pm PT
Great page of opinions right here.
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Nov 15, 2018 - 04:25pm PT
Moose, I did. And thanks for the donation!

https://www.gofundme.com/help-hillary-not-run-for-president&rcid=r01-154232507889-b20628b505a34cf3&pc=em_co_campmgmt_w
Winemaker

Sport climber
Yakima, WA
Nov 15, 2018 - 04:41pm PT
Damn Moose! Any money will actually go to a good cause.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 15, 2018 - 08:12pm PT
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/15/california-elections-results-mimi-walters-katie-porter-995504

Southern California Rep. Mimi Walters was ousted Thursday night, the latest House Republican to lose their seat in the formerly deep-red Orange County.

The Associated Press called the 45th congressional district race with Democrat Katie Porter leading Walters, a two-term incumbent who previously served in the California senate, by just over 6,000 votes as ballots continue to be counted.

So far, Democrats have flipped five seats in the state that are held or were previously held by Republicans. The party needed a net of 23 seats to retake the House and so far has gained 37 seats, with four races still too close to call. One of those races, the 39th congressional district, a seat previously held by Ed Royce, is now trending towards a pick up as Democrat Gil Cisneros leads Republican Young Kim by 941 votes with ballots continuing to be counted in the populous Orange County, which borders Los Angeles County.



On a campaign of Medicare for All, passing a ban on assault weapons, overturning President Donald Trump and the GOP's tax plan. In Orange County.

Maybe there's hope, yet.
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 15, 2018 - 08:49pm PT
More proof that our President is seriously insane & seriously inane.

From Esquire Nov 15, 2018

The President* Is in an Outright Frenzy Over the Mueller Probe

The Mueller probe-what he knows and about whom and when in god's name is he going to tell the rest of us-hangs over everything in our politics now. In many ways, it has entered the realm of legend, since the facts Mueller and his team have accumulated remain their own private property. The investigation now has taken on a talismanic quality; the great Democratic sweep in the recent midterm elections have presented us with an incoming House majority that will take a more active interest in Mueller's findings than the departing Republican majority would have.

Because of this, and before they even discover where to get a decent takeout lunch in the Capitol, the new members of Congress enter into their jobs knowing that a huge and consequential series of acts already predetermined are about to fall upon them, but nobody knows exactly what those will be, and most of the newcomers are positively nerve-struck at the idea of talking about what those acts might be.

Even worse, down at Camp Runamuck, the target of the investigation is shredding his last nerves and flinging them out onto the electric Twitter machine in what only can be called an outright frenzy. To wit, and just from Thursday morning:

From Trump:

The inner workings of the Mueller investigation are a total mess. They have found no collusion and have gone absolutely nuts. They are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with the answers they want. They are a disgrace to our Nation and don't…....care how many lives the ruin....These are Angry People, including the highly conflicted Bob Mueller, who worked for Obama for 8 years. They won’t even look at all of the bad acts and crimes on the other side. A TOTAL WITCH HUNT LIKE NO OTHER IN AMERICAN HISTORY!...Universities will someday study what highly conflicted (and NOT Senate approved) Bob Mueller and his gang of Democrat thugs have done to destroy people. Why is he protecting Crooked Hillary, Comey, McCabe, Lisa Page & her lover, Peter S., and all of his friends on the other side.


I pity the poor staffer who's tasked every morning with scouring the White House trying to find the president*'s hinges. All of this is simply a farrago of Foxified nonsense. Mueller is a Republican who also worked for the Bush Administration and, oh, why bother?

There is, however, a sense of something big suddenly Closer Than It Appears in the White House side-mirrors. And the new members of the House are going to have to get comfortable with the fact that history is going to be dropped on them in one big and unwieldy lump as soon as they're all sworn in. They may have come to Washington to work on infrastructure or education or healthcare or the opioid epidemic, but confronting a renegade profiteer (and, very likely, criminal) president* is going to tie up a great deal of their first term in Congress.

Because the president* is losing it bigly, and because Bob Mueller, with no expression on his face, is reaching across his desk for another file.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/president-outright-frenzy-over-mueller-180800218.html
Kalimon

Social climber
Ridgway, CO
Nov 15, 2018 - 09:46pm PT
“The inner workings of the Mueller investigation are a total mess. They have found no collusion and have gone absolutely nuts,” Trump tweeted. “They are screaming and shouting at people, horribly threatening them to come up with the answers they want. They are a disgrace to our Nation and don’t care how many lives the(y) ruin.”

Wow, sounds like the Donald is describing himself . . . coincidence? Doubtful.

When do we call in for back-up?
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 16, 2018 - 05:44am PT
From Trump:

The inner workings of the Mueller investigation are a total mess. They have found no collusion and have gone absolutely nuts.

Trump may be batshit crazy and incredibly childish. But he's got a point. This issue has primarily been about Trump colluding with Russian officials to win the presidency. It's been investigated for over two years.

We're still waiting for a member of Trump's team to be convicted of collusion.

Who has been charged with colluding with the Russians?

Is Roger Stone the smoking gun?


Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Nov 16, 2018 - 07:51am PT
EdwardT, I'm thinking you'll be as wrong about this as you were about celebrating Kim Young's victory a few pages back.

Mind you, this report comes from a far left wing commie website:
Republican congressional candidate Young Kim, who just days ago was poised to be the first Korean-American woman in Congress as she led a closely contested California House race, is accusing her opponent of "harassing and intimidating” vote counters as her lead has disappeared.

Kim is vying to replace retiring Rep. Ed Royce, R-Calif., in California’s 39th District, which includes part of the state's more Republican Orange County. Last week, she held about a 3-point lead over Democrat Gil Cisneros with about 150,000 votes counted.

But since then, that lead vanished, with Cisneros taking a 941-vote as of late Thursday.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republican-young-kim-loses-lead-in-california-house-race-accuses-opponent-gil-cisneros-of-harassing-vote-counters
Jim Clipper

climber
Nov 16, 2018 - 08:01am PT
I think this really is the Querencia.. the rest has all been foreplay.

Ugh...Is it the Quakers who say some things must be witnessed? I shudder. Still, I think I've already paid, so hopefully Mueller will bring the money shot. Looking for some new lows. Pence?
Jon Beck

Trad climber
Oceanside
Nov 16, 2018 - 08:02am PT
Acosta gets his press credentials back judge rules. Judge was appointed by Trump last year.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/16/media/cnn-trump-lawsuit-hearing/index.html
Fritz

Social climber
Choss Creek, ID
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 16, 2018 - 08:26am PT
Edward T! Per your above post, you mention about the Mueller investigation:

It's been investigated for over two years.

You really do need to quit watching Faux News.

Per Wikipedia:

The investigation, since it began May 17, 2017, has been conducted by the United States Department of Justice Special Counsel's Office, headed by Robert Mueller, a former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

That is almost exactly 18 months. It just seems like over 2 years to Trumpists.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2018 - 08:26am PT
I'm not holding my breath that there will a smoking gun in Mueller's report that shows clear collusion directly on Trump's part. But there is likely to be lots of other really dirty dirt, with more indictments of his inner circle, including his family.

Mueller has been incredibly disciplined throughout this whole nasty process, and I'm confident whatever he comes forward with will be legally solid, no matter what the Trumpsters think about it.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2018 - 08:34am PT
Edward, I know you weren't a Trump voter, and not a great fan of his, so why do you discount the dozens of indictments that have come down from Mueller's investigation? Even if you think the scope of his investigation was unreasonably ill-defined, the indictments and convictions that have occurred are serious, and quite real. Should they simply be disregarded?

C'mon. If these kinds of findings occurred with a Democrat, you'd be furious.
EdwardT

Trad climber
Retired
Nov 16, 2018 - 08:36am PT
Here you go Fritzie:

In late July 2016, "the CIA had set up a special group with the NSA and FBI... to investigate the extent of Russian intervention in the presidential election." Former CIA director John Brennan then "ensured that all information about links between the Trump campaign and people working for or on behalf of Russian intelligence went to the FBI."

Love the convenient ignorance.

Keep up the good work.

Edward, I know you weren't a Trump voter, and not a great fan of his, so why do you discount the dozens of indictments that have come down from Mueller's investigation?

How many dozens of indictments involve Trump campaign members?

How many indictments involve wrongdoing as campaign members?

C'mon. If these kinds of findings occurred with a Democrat, you'd be furious.

You do have a penchant for ignorant assumptions.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 16, 2018 - 08:47am PT
Edward, an investigation is started when there's a lot of smoke around an issue. That's why it's investigated. At the end of the investigation, if it's done thoroughly and methodically, the results could theoretically point in any direction, and can involve many people associated with the process.

Isn't that pretty much what's happening here? You argument is cherry-picking: you are arguing that because one specific result hasn't been found, the whole process is invalid.

Again: if this process was going on against a sitting Democrat POTUS, I seriously doubt any Republican would have any criticisms about the results thusfar.
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